Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumReuters: U.S. judge rejects Texas professors' bid to halt student gun carry
By Jon Herskovitz | AUSTIN, Texas
A U.S. judge rejected efforts by three University of Texas professors to ban students from bringing guns to their classrooms after the state granted them that right last year, court documents showed on Friday.
Professors Jennifer Glass, Lisa Moore and Mia Carter had argued in a federal district court in Austin that academic freedom and classroom debate could be chilled under the so-called "campus carry" law backed by the state's Republican political leaders.
The law allows concealed handgun license holders aged 21 and older to bring handguns into classrooms and other university facilities, including the University of Texas system, one of the nation's largest with more than 221,000 students.
"Plaintiffs present no concrete evidence to substantiate their fear," U.S. District Judge Lee Yeakel wrote in his decision dismissing the professors' complaint. Defendants included Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, University President Gregory Fenves and the university's Board of Regents.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)..that this particular one is being promulgated by otherwise progressive people.
Leave that shit to the wingers and their paranoia about brown people, LGBTQ people, and
non Judeo-Christians!
Fozzledick
(3,890 posts)If not, what's he afraid of?
Straw Man
(6,775 posts)Disgruntled friends and family of defendants and victims, most likely. Not analogous to a classroom situation at all.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,580 posts)What's your take on that?
Fozzledick
(3,890 posts)to keep them out of his courtroom?
Sauce for the gander, no escape from karma, equal justice for all.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,580 posts)That wasn't the question.
>> Should he be allowed to allow guns IN his courtroom? What's your take on that?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,580 posts)...meaning fair and equal. In a courtroom a jury renders a verdict. That word "verdict" comes from the Latin "veritas" meaning truth. Truth and justice are the foundations of court proceedings whether civil or criminal.
Perhaps my earlier question/reply wasn't concise. District Judge Lee Yeakel dismissed the complaint by the UT professors saying basically that they failed to bring sufficient (let's say prima facie) evidence to support their assertions about the danger of firearms in their classrooms.
I'm not necessarily against keeping firearms out of classrooms but the way you phrased your objection implied that Judge Yeakel also has some part in the decision to keep firearms out the court house.
1. I don't know that he had any part in that decision.
2. More important, and as I asked, should that decision be his?
In the interest of being 'fair', please share your thoughts.
Straw Man
(6,775 posts)Right here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172204072#post3
Care to respond?
Throck
(2,520 posts)Only Texas residents with a CCW permit are permitted to carry on campus? Age 21?
What are the comprehensive Texas permit requirements?
Maybe professors objecting to this law as a compromise could be assigned to teach freshmen and those under 21 who do not have permits. In theory they would have gun free classrooms. At least no legal guns would be present.
Fozzledick
(3,890 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,580 posts)Texas Government Code Chapter 411, Subchapter H sets out the eligibility criteria that must be met. Applicants must be at least 21 years of age (unless active duty military) and must meet Federal qualifications to purchase a handgun. A number of factors may make individuals ineligible to obtain a license, such as: felony convictions, some misdemeanor convictions, including charges that resulted in probation or deferred adjudication; certain pending criminal charges; chemical or alcohol dependency; certain types of psychological diagnoses, and protective or restraining orders. The state eligibility requirements can be found in GC §411.172. The federal firearms disqualifiers can be found in 18 USC 44 §922.
You must also submit a completed application, pay the required fees, complete all required training and submit required supplemental forms and materials.
Throck
(2,520 posts)Can't understand the hype and opposition.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,580 posts)Throck
(2,520 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,580 posts)...only "believe".
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/university-of-texas-campus-concealed-guns.html?_r=0
...Already, she said, the law has interfered with teaching. During her first class after the law took effect, she said, her English literature students discussed the rules and she explained how she could not legally prohibit guns in class, or even ask who had them.
Three of them started crying, she said. We did not talk about Jane Austen that day....
"But f_i," you may very well say, "don't you realize just how dangerous this will be?"
Yes. Yes, I do:
http://www.dps.texas.gov/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htm
(tl,dr version- 108 Texas CCW license holder were convicted of felonies in 2015)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=198548
Out of a population of 940,877-that's *1* conviction for every 8711 permitees
http://www.dps.texas.gov/rsd/chl/reports/ActLicAndInstr/ActiveLicandInstr2015.pdf
As of December 31, 2015
Active License Holders:
937,419
Certified Instructors:
3,458
These numbers reflect the number of licensed individuals and certified instructors
Given the stated estimates by university leaders -and known conviction rates-
it would seem that UT will most likely go about 16 years before the first CC licensee
enrolled there commits any felony, much less one involving illegal use of
a firearm...