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Related: About this forumWhat is control?
Please feel free to share here what you believe control is.I'll explain which parts of it are good and, IMHO, which aren't.
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What is control? (Original Post)
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Jul 2017
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Nitram
(24,611 posts)1. Control is a combination of many factors, including social factors.
There is "self control," there is subtle pressure from peers to do the right thing, and there is pressure from the government in the form of laws and regulations. They all play a part in the decisions most people make.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,577 posts)2. Thanks for your thoughts
I'm resorting to Wikipedia here:
Self-control is what I think of as true control, at least in the sense of control applying to people.
The pressures you mention will certainly bear on decisions you make. Choosing behavior unpopular among your peers may cost you friends. Behavior non-congruent with laws may cost you a fine or freedom.
Self-control is objectively good. It allows you save money rather than spending an entire paycheck on pizza and unsweetened iced tea or whatever may be your weakness. Self-control is a positive personally enhancing aspect of people.
OTOH, calling certain laws "gun-control" is both a lie and a myth. Believing that laws are control is a mistake. Laws mostly influence those with self-control.
Attempts to "control" people by passing laws really only provide a guide for those with self-control in the first place. I look at laws as criteria to use when determining if a crime has been committed and deciding on the guilt of an accused. Even more problematic is that by characterizing laws as "control" society expects that control occurs. Once that's accepted, future incidents demonstrating that control is lacking generally serve to support that even more "control" is needed in spite of the fact that no real control exists.
Analogous effects can be seen in declaring "wars" on ideologies or behaviors rather than specific groups or nations. The war on terror is one example. How's that going? Is terror gone yet? That war on drugs, that's completely off the rails. More and more resources are demanded but any victories are fleeting.
Self-control, an aspect of inhibitory control, is the ability to regulate one's emotions, thoughts, and behavior in the face of temptations and impulses. As an executive function, self-control is a cognitive process that is necessary for regulating one's behavior in order to achieve specific goals.
Self-control is what I think of as true control, at least in the sense of control applying to people.
The pressures you mention will certainly bear on decisions you make. Choosing behavior unpopular among your peers may cost you friends. Behavior non-congruent with laws may cost you a fine or freedom.
Self-control is objectively good. It allows you save money rather than spending an entire paycheck on pizza and unsweetened iced tea or whatever may be your weakness. Self-control is a positive personally enhancing aspect of people.
OTOH, calling certain laws "gun-control" is both a lie and a myth. Believing that laws are control is a mistake. Laws mostly influence those with self-control.
Attempts to "control" people by passing laws really only provide a guide for those with self-control in the first place. I look at laws as criteria to use when determining if a crime has been committed and deciding on the guilt of an accused. Even more problematic is that by characterizing laws as "control" society expects that control occurs. Once that's accepted, future incidents demonstrating that control is lacking generally serve to support that even more "control" is needed in spite of the fact that no real control exists.
Analogous effects can be seen in declaring "wars" on ideologies or behaviors rather than specific groups or nations. The war on terror is one example. How's that going? Is terror gone yet? That war on drugs, that's completely off the rails. More and more resources are demanded but any victories are fleeting.