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sl8

(16,245 posts)
Fri Sep 25, 2020, 06:59 AM Sep 2020

Right to Carry Gun in Public Debated at Ninth Circuit

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Right to Carry Gun in Public Debated at Ninth Circuit

SAN FRANCISCO (CN) — In a case challenging a Hawaii gun restriction that could affect state gun laws across the country, an attorney told an en banc Ninth Circuit panel Thursday that the Second Amendment doesn’t categorically bar all restrictions on carrying guns outside the home.

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San Francisco Courtroom 1 1:30 PM Thursday 9/24 12-17808 George Young, Jr. v. State of Hawaii
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Right to Carry Gun in Public Debated at Ninth Circuit (Original Post) sl8 Sep 2020 OP
Informationally... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2020 #1

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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Sat Sep 26, 2020, 03:23 PM
Sep 2020

I suggest that scope based questions may become reasons for a verdict for the defendant, the State of Hawaii. I don't think Mr. Beck adequately outlined that Mr. Young's challenge is to the State law as enforced by the County. Perhaps this is by design in preparing for a further future appeal.

As I understand:
1- Hawaii issues virtually no concealed permits.
2- The County issues open carry permits to almost no one other than security guards and similar professionals.

AFAIK the case hinges on the conflict between 2 established historical facts. The first is that in court cases and legislative precedents there are laws and decisions affirming that private citizens may carry a firearm in public for lawful purposes such as self-defense. This along with numerous findings of not guilty of assault and/or homicide from many jurisdictions where self-defense by firearm has occurred and been justified. The second is that it is alleged that, in practice, Hawaii County does not grant carry permits to anyone other than security professionals and that the State has a ban on open carry.

Established law and precedent names personal firearm carry beyond the home as a protected right but not an unlimited one.

From Heller: "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."


Therefore, reasonable restrictions by law are certainly acceptable but a complete ban on public carry by regular folks is not.

How can it be accepted as non-criminal to defend yourself with a gun when attacked and concurrently be a crime to carry a gun at all everywhere outside your own home?

How can it be a crime to possess, in public, a loaded gun on your person which, by judicial precedent, has been determined legal for use in self-defense?


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