Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumU.S. Voters Agree on One Thing: They'd Feel Better Owning a Gun
Like many Americans, two women a thousand miles apart are each anxious about the uncertain state of the nation. Their reasons are altogether different. But they have found common ground, and a sense of certainty, in a recent purchase: a gun.
Ann-Marie Saccurato traced her purchase to the night she was eating dinner at a sidewalk restaurant not long ago in Delray Beach, Florida, when a Black Lives Matter march passed, and her mind began to wander.
It takes only one person to incite a riot when emotions are high, she remembers thinking. What if police are overpowered and cant control the crowd?
Ashley Johnson, in Austin, Texas, worries about the images shes seen in past weeks of armed militias showing up to rallies and making plans to kidnap governors. The outcome of the election, she thinks, will be devastating for some people regardless of the winner.
Only in 2020...
BeyondGeography
(40,015 posts)But, hey, its a free country.
MichMan
(13,194 posts)Can you prove that assertion? I know dozens and dozens of friends that have guns and none have shot themselves or someone else with them.
The word most means that more than half of all gun owners have shot either themselves or someone else they know.
BeyondGeography
(40,015 posts)Lots of studies confirm this.
One example from the NIH:
Abstract
Objective: Determine the relative frequency with which guns in the home are used to injure or kill in self-defense, compared with the number of times these weapons are involved in an unintentional injury, suicide attempt, or criminal assault or homicide.
Methods: We reviewed the police, medical examiner, emergency medical service, emergency department, and hospital records of all fatal and nonfatal shootings in three U.S. cities: Memphis, Tennessee; Seattle, Washington; and Galveston, Texas.
Results: During the study interval (12 months in Memphis, 18 months in Seattle, and Galveston) 626 shootings occurred in or around a residence. This total included 54 unintentional shootings, 118 attempted or completed suicides, and 438 assaults/homicides. Thirteen shootings were legally justifiable or an act of self-defense, including three that involved law enforcement officers acting in the line of duty. For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.
Conclusions: Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)"Most will end up using it on themselves or someone they know"
With >80 million gun owners in this country, if your statement was true we'd have seen near-medieval levels of gun violence by now.
99% of those gun owners never have, and never will be, "...involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt..."
You are perfectly free to dislike guns, and I respect your right to do so.
You are not free to make stuff up without expecting to be called out on it.
BeyondGeography
(40,015 posts)If having a gun in the house makes you feel safer, goody for you. The statistics on shootings speak for themselves. The bottom line for me at least is gun ownership and safety have very little to do with one another.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)A quick Googling gives a combined population of the study areas of =/- 1,395,000 people
(Memphis ca. 650K, Seattle ca. 745K, Galveston ca. 50K)
Say 20% of those own guns, which would mean 279,000 people (likely a lowball for Memphis and Galveston- Southrons
really like their guns)
The study states that "...626 shootings occurred in or around a residence..."
Subtracting the "Thirteen shootings were legally justifiable or an act of self-defense"
gives us a figure of 613
613 into 279,000 means that slighly less than 1/4 of 1% (or 1 out of 455) of gun owners were responsible for the events
you'd have us be 'concerned' about.
I stand by what I said upthread.
Straw Man
(6,771 posts)To "most" people, that means more than 50%.
BeyondGeography
(40,015 posts)https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/
Straw Man
(6,771 posts)You said "most people with guns," not "most people who use guns in self-defense." The latter is only a very tiny sliver of all people with guns. But you knew that.
Don't those goalposts get heavy after a while?
BeyondGeography
(40,015 posts)When they are used, instead of serving as toys or tchotchkes, which is blessedly how most of them end up, they are most often used on their owners or someone they know.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,577 posts)Overall Firearm Gunshot Nonfatal Emergency Department Visits and Rates per 100,000
2015, United States, All Races, Both Sexes, All Ages:
Cases- 84,997........Population (2015)- 320,742,673
2015, United States
Suicide Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, All Ages:
Deaths: 22,018........Population (2015)- 320,742,673
https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/
krispos42
(49,445 posts)That does not cover all uses of a gun for self defense.
Also, if you're counting guns that are illegally owned by career criminals, well, they're criminals! Of course they're going to use them to commit crimes! That's why they got the gun!
But what are the odds that an.honest person with an honest job is going to use their legally-purchased gun to commit an assault or a homicide?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)....gun to commit an assault or a homicide?"
Less than 2 out of 1000 of all gun owners (and probably fewer for the legal ones), according to my math
in post #8
AleksS
(1,699 posts)Not only does owning a gun not make you safer, but it actually makes you UNsafer, and more likely to die from a gun.
WTF people. But hey, 'mericans gotta 'merica.