Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumHR 127 - DOA
or fuel for the "They are coming for your guns" crowd?
The Bill proposes requiring
- Registration
- Psychological exam
- Renewal every 5 years
- Must have insurance.
- No "military" weapons
- No "large capacity ammunition feeding devices"
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/127/text
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,580 posts)There's this word. It means "to provide gratification for others' desires".
I can't remember the word.
PirateRo
(933 posts)...insuring my car.
Most of these people have no business owning a weapon. Certainly, I dont feel safe with they have such a device when they consistently fail to show proper judgement in appearing with the weapon. A political rally? Bad call. A school? Bad call. A movie house or theater or restaurant? Bad fucking call.
If they clearly show they cannot be trusted to show proper judgement, they should not have a weapon.
I have no problem with the bill.
melm00se
(5,061 posts)Let me help:
You need to see into the future:
a notice specifying the identity of any person to whom, and any period of time during which, the firearm will be loaned to the person
You give up any sense of privacy:
The Attorney General shall make the contents of the database accessible to all members of the public...
If you are under 21 you have no rights under this law
...has attained 21 years of age;
Have psychological screening
undergoes a psychological evaluation conducted in accordance with paragraph (2), and the evaluation does not indicate that the individual is psychologically unsuited to possess a firearm;
Live with someone who owns a gun?
the evaluation included a psychological evaluation of other members of the household in which the individual resides
and
the licensed psychologist interviewed any spouse of the individual, any former spouse of the individual, and at least 2 other persons who are a member of the family of, or an associate of, the individual to further determine the state of the mental, emotional, and relational stability of the individual in relation to firearms.
Smoke dope? Medical or otherwise?
No license for you if you are addicted to a controlled substance (within the meaning of the Controlled Substances Act)
Now, lets get into the poll tax equivalent
has successfully completed a training course
(which you have to pay for)
undergoes a psychological evaluation
(which you have to pay for)
the individual will have in effect an insurance policy
(which you have to pay for)
back to the accessibility to the information:
What you own
Where you store
All entered into a database, accessible by anyone.
Now, of course seeing the Attorney General determines
The people who are authorized to train
The people who are authorized to do the psych eval
there is no chance, whatsoever, under any possible circumstance that there could be so few people certified to perform either the authorization or evaluation that it becomes de facto impossible to obtain either within a reasonable time frame : :
I hope no one comes for any of the civil rights you hold dear with the same level of obstruction.
PirateRo
(933 posts)I have no problem with it. If fact, any reasonable person would have no problem with it. And if this serves to stop people of poor judgement from owning a weapon, then it fulfills my requirement for the law.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)See: Fallacy of prejudicial language.
PirateRo
(933 posts)It means that if you care about this right you suitably curate that right to preserve it. That means following a reasonable set of metrics assuring that those who shouldnt have a weapon dont get one. This is the essence of responsible gun ownership.
It is an independent metric by adults for adults.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)From 2012:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/117283228#post1
...who lead gun owners to the correct conclusion that those who favor "reasonable, common-sense" gun laws are merely pursuing an incremental strategy towards complete registration, prohibition, and confiscation. There is no interest in balancing safety with freedom -- the entire focus is on restriction, and putting gun owners into a smaller and smaller pen. The past success of this movement relied almost solely on white fear of blacks, but racial fear is giving way. We value our right to keep and bear arms more than we value keeping blacks helpless now, and we've seen what happens when you trust a controller to do what he says. He divides and conquers, he breaks every promise, he lies and distorts and tries to spread ignorance and fear. It's not going to work again.
PirateRo
(933 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Plenty of antigun demagogues have used the same (or similar) tactics here at DU and elsewhere over the years-
the disinterested reader is invited to peruse the following thread from 2013:
"NRA talking points"? How about anti-gun talking points?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10023396665
There's a response of mine in there that's germane to the discussion we've been having:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10023396665#post29
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that every gun law I support is sensible. It's only
common sense, after all.
What was that quote from the OP again? Oh, yeah:
#1: ALWAYS FOCUS ON EMOTIONAL AND VALUE-DRIVEN
ARGUMENTS ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE, NOT THE POLITICAL
FOOD FIGHT IN WASHINGTON OR WONKY STATISTICS.
#3: CLAIM MORAL AUTHORITY AND THE MANTLE OF FREEDOM.
PirateRo
(933 posts)It has to do with responsible gun ownership and the application of an independent standard to ensure the 2nd Amendment far into the future. That bill is an excellent start to this process.
Also, a demagogue will want you to bring your own gun, its a cheaper solution for the accounting people. Just look at the events of January 6th. There is a very big difference in people who want to shove a gun into your hands - or worse - repeatedly hammer into you through fear and intimidation until you yourself accept the lie - but fail to train your critical thinking skills. When I was younger, I could count on the NRA to teach this difference. Not any longer, and certainly not since theyve started taking Russian dollars.
My last word on this is a video. I strongly recommend supporting the bill with your representatives.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Generalities such as:
https://propagandacritic.com/index.php/how-to-decode-propaganda/glittering-generalities/
...Alert readers will recognize that glittering generalities are the mirror image of name-calling words. One technique encourages us to reject ideas or people without considering the evidence; the other hopes we will approve of ideas or people without considering the evidence...
...Propagandists dont want us focusing on specific details. They hope to see us bathing in these words positive emotional glow.
It is also important to consider a close cousin of the glittering generality: the superlative. Superlatives are adjectives used to describe something of the very highest quality. Words like amazing, beautiful, best, fabulous, phenomenal, strong, and tremendous are all such words. But what do these words really mean in the context of the speakers claims? What, specifically, makes the speakers idea so tremendous?...
Then there's the following passage from Orwell's ""Politics and the English Language" :
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,580 posts)IMHO, debate with those where no common ground exists is more like giving singing lessons to...
...Well, you get the idea.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,580 posts)...3D printers or making them illegal. Maybe I'm wrong but I also haven't seen anything anything about certain tools and 80% items either. I think some of these relationships between laws, control and people can be expressed by saying the that tighter regulations may greatly reduce prevalence but any knowledge about the possession items in actual circulation becomes completely obscured.
I read about Mr. Heisenberg long ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)It's the very same mindset, albeit applied to a differnt cause:
Loudly claim it's for "safety" reasons, when it's really designed to restrict "those people"...
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,580 posts)...a firearm that has a feed system that accepts more than one magazine.
"...has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition..."
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Goddammit
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,580 posts)...and basically bans all private sales.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Insurance never covers criminal acts.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,580 posts)(2) FEE.The fee specified in this paragraph is $800..
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)If this isn't buried in commitee, it *will* be used against Dems in 2022.
As krispos42 alluded to, marginal seats in purple districts will be lost.
And, once again, it will be demonstrated that gun controllers prefer no loaf at all to half a loaf...
Rick Rolle
(90 posts)It will do nothing to stop criminals from obtaining firearms.
It will do nothing to prevent criminals from using firearms to commit crimes.
It will never get enough votes, in either chamber, to pass.
It will do nothing except fuel further firearms sales and give credence to the "They're comin' for our guns" crowd.
The bill might generate some support from anti-gun rights people, but it is, as melm00se stated, essentially DOA.