Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,593 posts) Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:27 AM Jun 2022

Overdue laws, decisions and effects

The Senate Bill:
Last night 50 Democrats and 15 Republicans in the Senate voted to pass the bill and forward it to the House.
The key points are-
* Enhanced background checks for those aged 18 to 21. This isn't a meaningless measure for sure. I would prefer that the legal age to buy a semi-auto rifle be raised to 21.
* Grant money to states that enact Red Flag Laws and crisis prevention programs. These will spend to reduce domestic violence. Good!
* More gun sales will require a Background Check. This doesn't go as far as UBCs but is better than what is now in place.
* Tougher penalties for gun trafficking. Seems like a good idea as long as it is actually enforced.

President Biden: "I am glad to see Congress has moved significantly closer to finally doing something — passing bipartisan legislation that will help protect Americans," he said in a statement after the bill cleared a key test vote earlier on Thursday. "Our kids in schools and our communities will be safer because of this legislation. I call on Congress to finish the job and get this bill to my desk."

I personally see this as a step forward.

The SCOTUS decision:
NEW YORK STATE RIFLE & PISTOL ASSOCIATION, INC., ET AL. v. BRUEN, SUPERINTENDENT OF NEW YORK STATE POLICE, ET AL.
* This decision removes the requirement on those wanting to carry in public for self-defense need not be required to demonstrate a special need beyond that of ordinary citizens to allowed that option. The decision does not restrict states from establishing requirements for those persons to be licensed and the state may set licensing requirements like education and testing on related laws, proficiency with a firearm and probably the registration of that firearm along with other common safety requirements.

Over the last few decades states have moved away from allowing state or local officials the arbitrary power to decide who can carry a gun in public. Half of the states don't require any permit to carry in public. Several other operate as "shall issue" for public carry. Vermont has never in 200 plus years required a permit to carry. I favor a shall-issue type permit. This requires that the state demonstrate a reason for denying a permit. Background checks, written tests and firearms training are often requirements for a carry permit. Not a bad thing.

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Overdue laws, decisions and effects (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2022 OP

This is a good bill. PTWB Jun 2022 #1

That and the SCOTUS decision will lessen the urgency of the 'one issue voters' The Mouth Jun 2022 #2

Single issue gun voters will still vote Republican, unfortunately. PTWB Jun 2022 #3

I don't argue that. The Mouth Jun 2022 #4

PTWB

(4,131 posts)

1. This is a good bill.

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:38 AM

Jun 2022

It doesn’t do much, but the enhanced background checks will save lives, even if just a few.

I suspect that the GOP support for this bill will depress their voter turnout in the upcoming mid terms, which could make the difference in some ultra-close races.

A win / win!

The Mouth

(3,297 posts)

2. That and the SCOTUS decision will lessen the urgency of the 'one issue voters'

Reply to PTWB (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:45 AM

Jun 2022

The RKBA people have the victory; details such as making CA and NY comply might take a while, but for those who have had this as their central issue, much of the motivation to 'vote R no matter how bad they are' is, thankfully, gone.

PTWB

(4,131 posts)

3. Single issue gun voters will still vote Republican, unfortunately.

Reply to The Mouth (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:53 AM

Jun 2022

They’re very susceptible to the right wing propaganda. They ignore the fact that Trump was responsible for more gun control than Obama, and Reagan was the father of some of the most hated gun control laws of the last 50 years.

There is a growing push amongst gun rights advocates to elect representatives who will repeal the NFA entirely.

I suspect that California and New York will implement incredibly stringent requirements to obtain a concealed carry license and this case, along with the propaganda surrounding it, will be back to a full boil in no time.

The Mouth

(3,297 posts)

4. I don't argue that.

Reply to PTWB (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 25, 2022, 11:18 AM

Jun 2022

But I think the urgency of many of them turning out will be greatly lessened.

Ca and NY can legislate all they want; you can't unduly restrict a right, be it RKBA, voting, or political speech; the only question, now settled, is that RKBA is a 'right'. Poll taxes and poll tests were thrown out for exactly this reason. They can't (well, they *can* but it will be defeated in court) try stuff like $5K registration fees or other such barriers, and they will lose.

I have, and like guns, and have prudent self defense capabilities at home, but have almost zero desire to ever 'carry' nor do I have the slightest interest in owning some plastic thing my dog could chew up.

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