it a huge stumbling block to banning assault weapons. I personally would support a ban of ALL semi-automatic weapons of any kind for public use. In my opinion, revolvers and bolt-action, lever action, or pump action weapons are just as effective for home defense or hunting, but slow enough to significantly lower the damage a mass shooter can inflict. That would end the debate over what size clips/magazines to allow.

I agree that UBC should be our primary focus.

can't be done. Gunners are endlessly creative when it comes to minutea. As you said, ban all semi autos with removeable magazines. Ban the thing that is leathal not some unicorn.

Since it's been demonstrably impossible and agreed as unwise to try banning "assault weapons", which are a fraction of the overall family of semi-autos, let's ban the whole group, all semi-autos. Semi-autos account for about half of all guns sold today. Excellent idea!

or an immutable law of the cosmos.

BULLSHIT.

For 30 years no progress on gun violence was made at all. Then we got fucking tired of it, we marched, we made a stink and suddenly Mitch McConnell said to Cornyn, "Offer some kind of stop gap to make 'em happy enough to shut up."

No way I'm being complaint and I'm not shutting up. We have asked for 'reasonable' and 'common sense' solutions for too long. Fuck it. Make THEM compromise with us.

If we don't ask we get nothing. Ask for everything and negotiate down. Those gun hugging fuckers have had it all to themselves for too long.

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As you were.

reducing the shear number of guns. Period.

MY point is fuck letting somebody else set the agenda. Fuck letting somebody else set the bar. Fuck taking the offerings.

Take our point and shove it up the asses of all those who have had the playing field to themselves for the last 50 years.

We are mad. We have had a taste of Mitch McConnell's fear. There is softness there and now is the time to push as hard as we can. Get all we can, not what some dimwit gunner (not a personal comment, editorial) has finally decided to give up out of weakness.

If you don't ask, you won't get. Ask, no DEMAND, it all and negotiate down.

Australia did it. I'd follow that lead.

"Oh but nobody would really turn their guns in! Nobody knows they have them, there's no registry!"

Here's the deal: all those guns fall into three categories, 1) they are surrendered (for recompense). 2) they aren't turned in but show up at a crime scene and are destroyed never to harm another. 3) They are hidden in the bottom of the closet and harm nobody until the owner dies and they are either surrendered because the heirs aren't interested in them or they revert to #2 or stay in the closet.

Reduce the number of guns and you reduce gun violence. You save lives.

They kill a LOT more "innocent people" than all guns combined.

and there are hundreds of times more cars than guns. Have you not been paying attention? Guns surpassed cars in deaths last year and the numbers for guns are still growing while the numbers for cars are still shrinking.

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and close to an estimated 400 million civilian owned guns in this country.

If ye love (well anything) better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. ― Samuel Adams (sort of)

Benjamin Franklin said: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Somethings deal makers know:
You've got to be able to walk away. Point pro-gun.
Never give the first number. Point pro-gun.
Never have a harsh negotiation.

It always ends in the old “that’s a good start, but we must get rid of guns”.

I'll just say a few prayers that none of my grandchildren end up as lifeless sacks of flesh in the next few hundred mass school shootings in this country.

I'm good with them.

If the cartridge fell within a certain range of specs, any semi auto
long gun that used detachable magazines that was chambered to fire such a round would be classified as an assault weapon. The color of the gun or if it had any so-called military features would be irrelevant.