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Eko

(8,522 posts)
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 10:12 PM Jul 2022

The good guy with a gun saying is just leading us into more madness.

Might as well make cannons or tanks legal, their ammunition legal and as easy to get as bullets and then talk about a good guy with a cannon or a good guy with a tank. Its insanity and will lead us to death and destruction as anyone with critical thinking can plainly see.

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The good guy with a gun saying is just leading us into more madness. (Original Post) Eko Jul 2022 OP
Amazingly AkFemDem Jul 2022 #1
Self-defense discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2022 #22
Perhaps the "good guy" is carrying legally, concealed, yagotme Jul 2022 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #2
Ok, fixed my post if you want to be pedantic. Eko Jul 2022 #3
How am I being pedantic by pointing out your incorrect info? MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #4
Can you get a tank or a cannon Eko Jul 2022 #5
actually you can thatdemguy Jul 2022 #6
and the ammunition? Eko Jul 2022 #8
If its a muzzle loader thatdemguy Jul 2022 #10
You dont need a NFA for a tank that has an operational main gun? Eko Jul 2022 #11
And, are you really trying to bring something like this into the discussion? Eko Jul 2022 #12
Cannon ammo is easy. ManiacJoe Jul 2022 #13
So, Eko Jul 2022 #14
It is all about legitimate purposes for civilians. ManiacJoe Jul 2022 #16
It may be legit for you, but its not legit for them. Eko Jul 2022 #18
Obviously "legitimate" is not the word you are looking for. ManiacJoe Jul 2022 #20
Might as well tell me you can buy an Avro Lancaster Eko Jul 2022 #15
Lots of people own WW2 aircraft. ManiacJoe Jul 2022 #17
You are tone deaf. Eko Jul 2022 #19
No, you are just asking the wrong questions for your purpose. ManiacJoe Jul 2022 #21
Chill out man, you're reading far too much into my post. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #7
You dont need to delete anything. Eko Jul 2022 #9

AkFemDem

(2,179 posts)
1. Amazingly
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 10:17 PM
Jul 2022

Every time I see a “good guy with a gun” story, they’re stopping a bad guy with an assault rifle with a small handgun. One could make the argument that this is proof no one needs an AR for self defense, and these examples prove it.

Banning assault style rifles is the obvious first step.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,591 posts)
22. Self-defense
Wed Jul 20, 2022, 09:46 AM
Jul 2022
One could make the argument that this is proof no one needs an AR for self defense...
IMO self-defense is an extremely detailed and individual area of effort. A really complete assessment of one's overall situation is the place to start. My standard for myself in what I would be comfortable with in training would exceed the time and money I have to devote to it.

Many folks, especially those with a larger property and multiple structures, in suburban to rural areas may have regular use for a "ranch rifle" or a shotgun. A good example of ranch rifle is a Ruger mini-14 which looks different than an AR but functions pretty much identically. I'm inferring a bit here but those folks may not have the time to practice with 2 different guns and may not be able to afford 2 different sets of ammo and such. Also, some folks enjoy shooting as a hobby and an AR is like a computer that you can somewhat customize them for your particular circumstances and uses.

Many states now have no license requirement to carry in public but most (I think) require you to carry concealed. Concealing an AR is probably impossible. I don't like open carry especially with a rifle. Those folks are mostly just trying to be provocative.

yagotme

(3,819 posts)
23. Perhaps the "good guy" is carrying legally, concealed,
Wed Jul 27, 2022, 12:56 PM
Jul 2022

and not willing/allowed to carry a rifle for defensive purposes. According to your logic, all our troops need are 9mm pistols, as the "AR-15" isn't a good defensive firearm. Curiously, what exactly is your definition of an "assault style rifle"? We need to know the exact details before any can be banned.

Response to Eko (Original post)

Eko

(8,522 posts)
5. Can you get a tank or a cannon
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 10:26 PM
Jul 2022

and the ammunition as easily as an AR style rifle and 5.56 ammunition even if money is not a problem? No. So you understand what the post meant you just wanted to show the exception to the rule, like there is not always an exception to every rule.

thatdemguy

(527 posts)
6. actually you can
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 10:31 PM
Jul 2022

You can buy a cannon and a tank with not even having to show id. That is if the cannon is muzzle loading and the tank does not have an active gun.

thatdemguy

(527 posts)
10. If its a muzzle loader
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 10:47 PM
Jul 2022

Then you walk into a store and buy black powder and use nails or ball bearings for bullets. Or just buy the mold to cast your own from lead. Heck you can buy and make your own black powder from stuff sold at walmart.

The ammo for a tank cannon if just a heavy bullet you can buy as well, they would just be very expensive. They really just have a lot of powder and big heavy bullet. Same requirements as a 22lr bullet, show your id to prove your old enough and pay for it.

Eko

(8,522 posts)
11. You dont need a NFA for a tank that has an operational main gun?
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 10:53 PM
Jul 2022

And if so wouldn't that make it different from getting an AR style rifle?

Eko

(8,522 posts)
12. And, are you really trying to bring something like this into the discussion?
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 11:02 PM
Jul 2022

I guess I have to make it clear I mean a modern cannon and a modern tank that work and have ammunition. Not sure why anyone would think I was comparing a defunct 17th and 18th century cannon or a tank without a workable main gun but I guess with some people you have to be crystal clear since they cant understand the comparison in the post. And not this tank.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
13. Cannon ammo is easy.
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 11:07 PM
Jul 2022

It is a steel ball and separate gun power. All is legal.

The tank ammo will be a problem for the general public since it is all highly restricted. Need the proper licenses and need the deep pockets for the purchases.

Eko

(8,522 posts)
14. So,
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 11:11 PM
Jul 2022

Getting ammo for a Tank requires much more than getting it for an AR15, as you said. And for a modern cannon same thing. Thanks.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
16. It is all about legitimate purposes for civilians.
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 11:25 PM
Jul 2022

Small arms ammo has legit purposes for civilians, be it hunting or target shooting or self defense.

Bombs, explosive warheads, and similar "tank" rounds do not have any legit purposes for general civilians due to their indiscriminate nature.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
20. Obviously "legitimate" is not the word you are looking for.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 01:47 AM
Jul 2022

Criminal use is never part of the definition of legitimate, but you already knew that.

Eko

(8,522 posts)
15. Might as well tell me you can buy an Avro Lancaster
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 11:23 PM
Jul 2022

and no bombs while I am talking about people everywhere getting fully functional saw's with all the ammo with no permits required.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
17. Lots of people own WW2 aircraft.
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 11:36 PM
Jul 2022

Perfectly legal without the guns.
Fighter planes are very popular with racing.
Lots of folks love their MIG 19s and other "vintage" jets. (No guns allowed.)

If you can afford to purchase and maintain a WW2 bomber, more power to you. Obviously, you cannot have the bombs or machine guns.

In general, no civilians are getting SAWs. Machine guns are heavily restricted at the federal level and in many states. There is nothing special about their ammo. Military spec rifle ammo is great for the gun range and target shooting, and it used to be quite cheap to purchase.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
21. No, you are just asking the wrong questions for your purpose.
Tue Jul 19, 2022, 01:49 AM
Jul 2022

Apparently, the face value of the asked questions was not your intention.

MarineCombatEngineer

(14,342 posts)
7. Chill out man, you're reading far too much into my post.
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 10:32 PM
Jul 2022

Here, to show no ill will towards your thread, I'll delete my post.

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