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Darwins_Retriever

(946 posts)
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 12:08 PM Jul 2022

Here is my proposal, don't try to ban assault rifles

Create a law restricting muzzle velocity of all weapons. AR15 has muzzle velocity of 3300 ft/sec. This is what allows an AR15 to be so deadly. Its ammo meets international law: it is full metal jacket, it is not designed to flatten or break apart. But it does both of these because of the muzzle velocity. Which makes the AR15 highly destructive.

This would require a new cartridge. The current one has too much powder behind it. Reduce the powder, and the cartridge would be smaller (shorter). Ban the manufacture and sale of the original cartridge. Manufacturers would have to redesign the chamber and make adapters for existing AR15s to be able to fire the shorter round. Gun manufacturers may actually like this. I means increased sales.

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Here is my proposal, don't try to ban assault rifles (Original Post) Darwins_Retriever Jul 2022 OP
No. The purpose is to kill people. As many as possible as quickly as possible. onecaliberal Jul 2022 #1
So it's okay to have a gun that shoots .223 Rem as long as it's not an AR-15? krispos42 Jul 2022 #5
Ban EVERY assault weapon from civilian sales. onecaliberal Jul 2022 #6
Right... krispos42 Jul 2022 #7
Bless your heart. onecaliberal Jul 2022 #8
I guess I'm done here. krispos42 Jul 2022 #9
First describe to me what is an "assault rifle"? oneshooter Jul 2022 #10
Scary black plastic with with the 'shoulder thing that goes up' The Mouth Oct 2022 #18
Good idea, but multigraincracker Jul 2022 #2
Interesting Idea beemerphill Jul 2022 #3
I won't be bothered by anything gun humpers think. onecaliberal Jul 2022 #11
Because thinking is irrelevant here. hack89 Jul 2022 #12
I don't give a fuck what gun humpers think. onecaliberal Jul 2022 #13
You are in the right place. ManiacJoe Jul 2022 #14
That's nice. Nt hack89 Jul 2022 #15
"Leading cause of death for children is guns" Sure.. EX500rider Oct 2022 #17
I made this comment in July because it's fucking true. onecaliberal Oct 2022 #20
That's nice. Nt hack89 Oct 2022 #21
So if I am reading your comment correctly melm00se Oct 2022 #19
Terminal ballistics and physics discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2022 #4
What muzzle velocity are you suggesting? n/t yagotme Jul 2022 #16

onecaliberal

(36,180 posts)
1. No. The purpose is to kill people. As many as possible as quickly as possible.
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 12:21 PM
Jul 2022

This gun and those similar should NEVER EVER be sold to civilians.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
5. So it's okay to have a gun that shoots .223 Rem as long as it's not an AR-15?
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 11:16 AM
Jul 2022

Is that what you're saying?

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
7. Right...
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 09:33 PM
Jul 2022

... so it's okay to have a rifle that shoots .223, just as long as it doesn't have a pistol grip?

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
9. I guess I'm done here.
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 09:55 PM
Jul 2022

You're in your bubble, where you believe that banning "assault weapons" will do something, even though you can't define "assault weapon", simply because that's what the majority of Democrats believe.

The Mouth

(3,297 posts)
18. Scary black plastic with with the 'shoulder thing that goes up'
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 10:47 AM
Oct 2022

Shoots 1500 rounds a minute from a 'clip' that holds 100 bullets.
/s

multigraincracker

(34,193 posts)
2. Good idea, but
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 12:21 PM
Jul 2022

I'm sure they would claim it won't stop wild pigs.

I'd make all semi autos that hold more than 3 rounds be limited to 22 shorts.

beemerphill

(519 posts)
3. Interesting Idea
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 02:39 PM
Jul 2022

However, you may want to run this by a couple of experienced gunsmiths before you draft any bills. Let us know what they say.

onecaliberal

(36,180 posts)
13. I don't give a fuck what gun humpers think.
Sun Jul 24, 2022, 10:04 AM
Jul 2022

Leading cause of death for children is guns. If you think that is stirring shit, that’s your problem. I’m not going to listen to or consider a single thought or syllable spoken by people who want to make excuses for that.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
14. You are in the right place.
Mon Jul 25, 2022, 04:33 AM
Jul 2022

No one here makes excuses for that.
However, ways to prevent deaths of children are open for debate.

EX500rider

(11,507 posts)
17. "Leading cause of death for children is guns" Sure..
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 01:08 PM
Oct 2022

...if you count 19yo's as "children".

Counting actual children you will find the main cause to be accidents. (unintentional injuries)

melm00se

(5,071 posts)
19. So if I am reading your comment correctly
Thu Oct 27, 2022, 06:51 AM
Oct 2022

you won't listen to someone who is expert in designing or repairing guns before mandating retrofitting a firearm.

That is akin to passing a law regarding something medical and not bothering to discuss that law with doctors.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,593 posts)
4. Terminal ballistics and physics
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:19 PM
Jul 2022

What actually makes the AR-15 deadly is that it fires a bullet. Robert Kennedy was killed by a .22lr from a revolver. A rifle only serves to give the powder charge a longer time to accelerate the bullet which in general only improves the effective range.

The specific magnitude of damage that a single bullet will cause is primarily determined by its energy. I majored in physics and have a detailed understanding of energy and dynamics. The kinetic energy of an object (E) is given by the formula E = 1/2 m*v*v, (v*v is v squared) where m is the mass and v is velocity.

The muzzle energy of a .223 Rem is 1100 - 1200 ft·lb. Comparing this to an AR-10, 2,550 ft-lb. Compare that also to the basic 9 millie which is 350 - 450 ft·lb. BTW the 9mm is one of two guns used at the deadliest mass shooting at a school, Virginia Tech. The other handgun was a .22.

Modifying an AR in .223 down to a smaller case for less powder would be expensive. Also, many people reload their own ammo by saving the brass and adding new bullets and powder.

The average deer hunting rifle fires with more muzzle energy than an AR-15.

I conclude that making this change will, at best, make the modified AR-15 about as deadly as the weapon used in the deadliest school shooting to date.

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