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AndyS

(14,559 posts)
Sat Aug 12, 2023, 07:42 PM Aug 2023

I'm told that the AR-15 is a 'Modern Sporting Rifle'

Hmmm, wearing what looks like body armor, lots of tactical pouches (If you call it tactical they will come) and charging downhill. Can someone tell me exactly what sport this guy is practicing for?

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I'm told that the AR-15 is a 'Modern Sporting Rifle' (Original Post) AndyS Aug 2023 OP
It appears he's hunting for humanoids and other sentient prey. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2023 #1
How sporting! KPN Aug 2023 #3
Not very, if the prey is unprepared. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2023 #4
Or if the prey are baby humanoids, too young to survive on their own. 70sEraVet Aug 2023 #10
You're also not allowed to shoot ducks sitting in the water. Xipe Totec Aug 2023 #11
Pardon me ... guess I s/h used the sarcasm smilie. KPN Aug 2023 #14
Rittenhouse's lawyers are arguing he was engaging in "legal hunting" on the streets of Kenosha. keithbvadu2 Aug 2023 #12
The sport ...is to kill people. Mass killing made modern. Manufacturers have no shame. Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #2
Bambi has been killed by many "armor piercing" projectiles yagotme Sep 2023 #35
To say nothing of that cutting-edge 'cop killer' AP round the 30:06 The Mouth Sep 2023 #37
Yeah. yagotme Sep 2023 #40
At least they don't have that shoulder thing that goes up The Mouth Sep 2023 #41
Yup. yagotme Sep 2023 #42
"The Most Dangerous Game" ret5hd Aug 2023 #5
I love that movie! dchill Aug 2023 #8
The sport: owning libs AND their carcases. dchill Aug 2023 #6
I am reminded of a famous Spanish Civil War falling soldier photo sanatanadharma Aug 2023 #7
AR-15 style rifle... the majority/plurality preferred weapon of choice for killing unarmed schoolchi keithbvadu2 Aug 2023 #9
I call them the AR-penis extension. n/t brewens Aug 2023 #16
Mowing down children is sport. Turbineguy Aug 2023 #13
I guess that's why there's millions willing to risk their kid's lives BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #15
Ever heard of the 3 gun competition ? DashOneBravo Aug 2023 #17
Oh, you mean the fantasy game about killing as many people as you can with AndyS Aug 2023 #18
Wouldn't all firearms, hell, ranged weapons competition be about "fantasizing about kills"? sir pball Aug 2023 #26
Of all the thousands of 3-gun "trainee's", yagotme Sep 2023 #36
Could be grounds for a lawsuit: discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2023 #19
It's a semiautomatic rifle TexasDem69 Aug 2023 #20
In case you missed it, the question is "What sport is it designed for?" AndyS Aug 2023 #21
He looks like he's about to fall on his ass TexasDem69 Aug 2023 #22
Man you're good at deflecting. AndyS Aug 2023 #23
I won't argue the design, but it is an excellent weapon for feral hogs. Hangingon Aug 2023 #24
I'm addressing Texasdem69. nt AndyS Aug 2023 #25
3-gun SYFROYH Aug 2023 #27
See my response to Dashone bravo upthread. AndyS Aug 2023 #28
Sure, but most major gun designs were designed for military/LEO purposes SYFROYH Aug 2023 #29
Then why invent a new name just for one specific gun model? nt AndyS Aug 2023 #30
Our thoughtful govenment came up with the distinction.... SYFROYH Aug 2023 #31
Nice deflection but the NSSF coined the "Modern Sporting Rifle" as a marketing ploy to AndyS Aug 2023 #32
The terminology of firearms for "sporting purposes" goes back to the 1968 GCA SYFROYH Aug 2023 #33
You're the second response to the OPs question AndyS Aug 2023 #34
Looks like fun to me The Mouth Sep 2023 #38
A semiautomatic AR-15 is better suited as a military weapon than a fully automatic M-16 Kennah Sep 2023 #39

70sEraVet

(4,145 posts)
10. Or if the prey are baby humanoids, too young to survive on their own.
Sat Aug 12, 2023, 07:58 PM
Aug 2023

Even state wildlife agencies don't usually allow the taking of immature offspring of a species.

Xipe Totec

(44,063 posts)
11. You're also not allowed to shoot ducks sitting in the water.
Sat Aug 12, 2023, 08:00 PM
Aug 2023

But we're not talking about people who abide by the rules, are we?

keithbvadu2

(40,120 posts)
12. Rittenhouse's lawyers are arguing he was engaging in "legal hunting" on the streets of Kenosha.
Sat Aug 12, 2023, 08:04 PM
Aug 2023

Last edited Sat Aug 12, 2023, 09:02 PM - Edit history (2)

https://democraticunderground.com/100215934293

Rittenhouse's lawyers are arguing he was engaging in "legal hunting" on the streets of Kenosha.

Little Kyley should be in that ad... with his blue gloves.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
2. The sport ...is to kill people. Mass killing made modern. Manufacturers have no shame.
Sat Aug 12, 2023, 07:46 PM
Aug 2023

Apparently deer are also well armed and dangerous, requiring overwhelming firepower and armour to survive. Bambi is no pushover after all, those eyes can kill!

yagotme

(3,816 posts)
35. Bambi has been killed by many "armor piercing" projectiles
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 12:10 PM
Sep 2023

over the last century and a half. Depends on the armor, actually. A good old fashioned .30-40 Govt, (AKA Krag,) been around since early 1890's, will go through and through most police vests. Gotta get to level IV to beat that old bullet. .30-30, the old lever cartridge, from 1895, will do pretty much the same. TONS of deer have fallen to it.

The Mouth

(3,285 posts)
37. To say nothing of that cutting-edge 'cop killer' AP round the 30:06
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 10:34 AM
Sep 2023

Pretty radical technology there, we'd better confiscate all of them and outlaw that caliber before too many of them are made or sold!



/s

yagotme

(3,816 posts)
40. Yeah.
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 10:10 AM
Sep 2023

Thank "Dougout Doug" for having the Govt make all those deadly ww2 semi-auto assault rifles in .30-06. We could have had a glut of .276 Pederson except for him. No worries about the "06.

The Mouth

(3,285 posts)
41. At least they don't have that shoulder thing that goes up
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 11:47 AM
Sep 2023

only a hardcore criminal would want that.

sanatanadharma

(4,074 posts)
7. I am reminded of a famous Spanish Civil War falling soldier photo
Sat Aug 12, 2023, 07:53 PM
Aug 2023

The ad photo is the split-second before the fall seen in that famous decades old photo.

As noted by others, in blood sports, human blood is most valued.

keithbvadu2

(40,120 posts)
9. AR-15 style rifle... the majority/plurality preferred weapon of choice for killing unarmed schoolchi
Sat Aug 12, 2023, 07:54 PM
Aug 2023

AR-15 style rifle... the majority/plurality preferred weapon of choice for killing unarmed schoolchildren.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
18. Oh, you mean the fantasy game about killing as many people as you can with
Sun Aug 13, 2023, 08:41 AM
Aug 2023

a Modern Sporting Rifle and then with a pistol and finally a shotgun against a timer? Or is it training for a mass shooting in close quarters? Hard to tell which . . .

Oh, I get it! Like the term Modern Sporting Rifle it was invented by the NSSF to justify the term Modern Sporting Rifle! See, there is a sport for that military wannabe gun.

sir pball

(4,941 posts)
26. Wouldn't all firearms, hell, ranged weapons competition be about "fantasizing about kills"?
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 07:00 PM
Aug 2023

3-gun aside…is there any shooting sport that isn't a "fantasy game about killing"?

Bullseye rifle shooting is about putting a bullet between a person's eyes – doubly so for Olympic/ISSF 3-position, it's all about how well you can kill from various stances. Why does any reasonable person need to know that?

And the Handgun World Shoot…really, tell me that's not about imagining putting your entire mag into an innocent person's X-ring. They even use big, properly lethal handguns - this guy is an AUSTRALIAN with an M1911!


I actually support about 90% of gun control, but sometimes, yeesh. Is my predilection for powerful, accurate rifles – or my love of archery, an equally vicious hobby – a symptom of a desire to go all Mandalay Bay?

yagotme

(3,816 posts)
36. Of all the thousands of 3-gun "trainee's",
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 12:12 PM
Sep 2023

How many have actually committed a mass shooting? I'm sure there's stats out there somewhere.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)
19. Could be grounds for a lawsuit:
Sun Aug 13, 2023, 11:26 AM
Aug 2023
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/other-laws-policies/gun-industry-immunity/

Importantly, PLCCA provides six exceptions to its general industry immunity, authorizing the following types of lawsuits to proceed even if an intervening act occurred involving the criminal or unlawful misuse of the firearm industry member’s product:
1 An action brought against someone convicted of “knowingly transfer[ing] a firearm, knowing that such firearm will be used to commit a crime of violence” by someone directly harmed by such unlawful conduct;
2 An action brought against a seller (or importer) for negligent entrustment or negligence per se;
3 An action in which a manufacturer or seller of a qualified product knowingly violated a State or Federal statute applicable to the sale or marketing of the product, if the violation was a proximate cause of the harm for which relief is sought. (Note that “State” laws are defined for these purposes to also include the laws of any U.S. territory as well as the laws of local political subdivisions, such as cities and counties);
4 An action for breach of contract or warranty in connection with the purchase of the product;
5 An action for death, physical injuries, or property damage resulting directly from a defect in design or manufacture of the product, when used as intended or in a reasonably foreseeable manner, except that where the discharge of the product was caused by a volitional act that constituted a criminal offense, then such act shall be considered the sole proximate cause of any resulting death, personal injuries or property damage; or
6 An action commenced by the Attorney General to enforce the Gun Control Act or the National Firearms Act.
 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
20. It's a semiautomatic rifle
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 09:48 PM
Aug 2023

Just like all other semiautomatic rifles it shoots 1 round every time you pull the trigger. Same as semiautomatic handguns. And shotguns. And revolvers. No real mystery to it.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
21. In case you missed it, the question is "What sport is it designed for?"
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 09:56 PM
Aug 2023

None of those other guns had a special name made up just for them. They aren't called 'Modern Sporting Pistols' or 'Modern Sporting shotguns'. Only the AR-15. The NSSF said they invented the term just for that wanna be military weapon.

So I ask you specifically, what sport is it designed for and what sport is the guy in the OP's ad practicing for?

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
23. Man you're good at deflecting.
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 10:23 PM
Aug 2023

How about answering the basic question: "What sport is it designed for?"None of those other guns had a special name made up just for them. They aren't called 'Modern Sporting Pistols' or 'Modern Sporting shotguns'. Only the AR-15. The NSSF said they invented the term just for that wanna be military weapon.

I'm asking you to stay on topic and give some sort of answer to that question. Realize that it was you who joined the thread ignoring the point of the OP. You volunteered to take part, so take part.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
28. See my response to Dashone bravo upthread.
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 03:42 PM
Aug 2023

The AR15 predates the 3gun by about a decade and a half. Seems the 'sport' was designed to justify the weapon, not the other way 'round.

SYFROYH

(34,202 posts)
29. Sure, but most major gun designs were designed for military/LEO purposes
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 04:31 PM
Aug 2023

And then used in competitions. level actions, pump actions, revolvers, bolt actions, magazines, automatic fire, etc.

I can't imagine anyone creating a truly novel design for a sport that doesn't yet exist.



SYFROYH

(34,202 posts)
31. Our thoughtful govenment came up with the distinction....
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 04:42 PM
Aug 2023

...when it said sporting weapons were good, others are baaaaaaad.

It's not for just one gun model.



For example (from the BATFE):

There is no Federal registration requirement for most conventional sporting firearms. Only those firearms subject to the National Firearms Act (NFA) (e.g., machineguns, short-barrel firearms, silencers, destructive devices, any other weapons) must be registered with ATF.

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AndyS

(14,559 posts)
32. Nice deflection but the NSSF coined the "Modern Sporting Rifle" as a marketing ploy to
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 05:27 PM
Aug 2023

counter the poor public perception of the military look alike weapon. They basically said so.

Yes, the ATF cited 'sporting firearms' to differentiate NFA weapons from weapons requiring registration but in that context it's a generic classification not a specific name for a specific weapon.

Besides, 3 Gun is a fantasy game about killing people, not a "sport".


SYFROYH

(34,202 posts)
33. The terminology of firearms for "sporting purposes" goes back to the 1968 GCA
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 05:54 PM
Aug 2023


Hence describing the AR15 as a sporting rifle places it on the good list.

3-gun is just a type of target shooting. No more, no less.

But you're free to speculate about competitors' fantasies, as you wish.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
34. You're the second response to the OPs question
Sun Aug 20, 2023, 06:11 PM
Aug 2023

"What sport is the AR-15 designed for?"

3Gun is 'just a type of target shooting' is like the AR being just another sporting rifle (that is based in a military RFQ, designed to look exactly like current military rifles, marketed using military themed ads and marketed to young and not so young men not sure of their masculinity).

That's not speculation. It's observation.

Okay, I'm done.

The Mouth

(3,285 posts)
38. Looks like fun to me
Thu Sep 14, 2023, 10:40 AM
Sep 2023

3-gun, hunting, target shooting all are great!

The capacity to deter (permanently if necessary) any asshole threatening my life, liberty, or property is just a bonus, as is triggering the histrionics of people who don't like the idea of me owning one. Just waiting until the 1968 and 1934 gun-control acts are overturned and nationwide Constitutional carry is the unalterable law of the land to really celebrate. YMMV.

Kennah

(14,465 posts)
39. A semiautomatic AR-15 is better suited as a military weapon than a fully automatic M-16
Fri Sep 15, 2023, 01:14 AM
Sep 2023

Coworker of mine from years ago, was an Army Infantry Lt. in Viet Nam. We were talking about firearms, specifically the M-16, and he remarked how he wished that he could have had an executive key to the soldiers weapons. Most of his guys were only proficient with semiautomatic fire. A very few with fully automatic fire.

I've watched people who were very skilled with a firearm shoot fully automatic and semiautomatic. No matter how damned good you are, a fully automatic firearm isn't very precise.

A magazine fed semiautomatic rifle is ideal for killing lots of people at close range.

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