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Eugene

(62,657 posts)
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 03:52 PM Sep 2023

Maker of rapid-fire triggers falsely told customers they are legal, judge says in preliminary ruling

Source: Associated Press

Maker of rapid-fire triggers falsely told customers they are legal, judge says in preliminary ruling

BY DAVE COLLINS
Updated 2:25 PM EDT, September 5, 2023

A company that sold triggers that make semi-automatic, AR-15-style rifles fire like automatic weapons likely misled consumers that the devices were legal, and it continued selling them even after being warned by the U.S. government, a federal judge in New York ruled Tuesday.

The judge barred Rare Breed Triggers from selling any more of its forced-reset triggers until further notice — a blow to the company’s defense against the government’s civil fraud lawsuit, which remains pending.

“The Court concludes that the Government is likely to succeed on the merits of its claims,” U.S. District Judge Nina Morrison wrote, adding the company “placed tens of thousands of their customers at risk of criminal prosecution and the loss of their right to own firearms.”

Rare Breed Triggers and its lawyers are disappointed by the ruling and are considering how to respond, said David Warrington, one of the company’s lawyers. He also noted the ruling is not a final decision in the lawsuit.

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Read more: https://apnews.com/article/rapid-fire-triggers-rare-breed-ef6fbc7520b719e8f5ff3fa312a6fae0

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Maker of rapid-fire triggers falsely told customers they are legal, judge says in preliminary ruling (Original Post) Eugene Sep 2023 OP
So you're "considering how to respond"? Simple. RobertDevereaux Sep 2023 #1
This is what the gun culture does. It exploits the tiniest of minutia to skirt the meaning of the law. AndyS Sep 2023 #2
Important info missing from the article. ManiacJoe Sep 2023 #3
Not the first time the BATF has changes it's mind. yagotme Sep 2023 #4

RobertDevereaux

(1,938 posts)
1. So you're "considering how to respond"? Simple.
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 04:00 PM
Sep 2023

Go straight the fuck to jail and remain there for rest of your miserable lives.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
2. This is what the gun culture does. It exploits the tiniest of minutia to skirt the meaning of the law.
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 07:12 PM
Sep 2023

A full auto (machine gun) fires as long as there is pressure on the trigger. A semi-auto fires one bullet for each pull of the trigger and the trigger must be released before being pulled again. Machine guns are under the National Firearms Act that requires a tax, reallllllly strict background check and must be registered to the owner with the ATF.

First was the bump-stock that used recoil to push the gun away from the trigger finger to reset the trigger. Okay, Trump outlawed that.

Then came the 'auto sear' that allowed the trigger to automatically reset and made the gun full auto.

Now there is the 'forced reset' trigger. The mechanism actually pushes the trigger forward against the shooter's finger to reset the trigger so it technically resets the trigger between each shot. The shooter just puts pressure on the trigger and holds it (one trigger pull) and the gun forces his finger off the trigger. Technically it is a semi auto because the trigger is "released" after each shot when the finger is shoved forward by the gun.

The reasoning goes like this,"The gun fires one bullet per trigger pull because this little thingie here shoves your finger forward and then that thingie lets the gun shoot again but you don't have to take your finger off the trigger so it's not a machine gun because of the thingie."

I think all semi autos, pistols and rifles, should be placed under the NFA. Problem solved.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
3. Important info missing from the article.
Fri Sep 8, 2023, 05:28 AM
Sep 2023

When the makers of the triggers originally ran the specs thru the ATF, the ATF correctly said -- in writing -- the triggers are not machine guns and thus are legal for sale. Years later the ATF changed their mind.

Federal law is quite specific on what a machine gun is per the law written by Congress. (Surprisingly, they got it right.)

The ATF does not have the authority to change/update the law. That is the job of Congress. If Congress wants the triggers to be considered as machine guns, Congress has to update the laws.

yagotme

(3,816 posts)
4. Not the first time the BATF has changes it's mind.
Tue Sep 12, 2023, 12:33 PM
Sep 2023

Changing it's mind shouldn't make criminals out of those that bought/solt items in original good faith.

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