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Data Point (Original Post) AndyS Sep 2023 OP
There certainly is too much TexasDem69 Sep 2023 #1
Any other corollary factors? Any at all? AndyS Sep 2023 #2
Correlation TexasDem69 Sep 2023 #3
Correlation/causation? I thought that NRA/ILA dodge had run it's course. AndyS Sep 2023 #4
Wow TexasDem69 Sep 2023 #5
My OP was about AndyS Sep 2023 #6
Grand conspiracy theories TexasDem69 Sep 2023 #7
The phrase is about 15 years old and more common in some black communities. AndyS Sep 2023 #8
Prosecute the crime. ManiacJoe Sep 2023 #9
Actually it has little deterrent. AndyS Sep 2023 #10
I've read that prison isn't a real threat to repeat criminals. discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2023 #11
I know of prisoners planning their second bit while getting locked up for their first. yagotme Sep 2023 #12
 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
3. Correlation
Wed Sep 20, 2023, 07:22 PM
Sep 2023

Or causation? Two completely different things. We should try to understand the cause, wouldn’t you agree?

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
4. Correlation/causation? I thought that NRA/ILA dodge had run it's course.
Wed Sep 20, 2023, 07:29 PM
Sep 2023

There is a difference. Correlation means that if this (more guns) we can expect that (more gun violence). Causation is proving that any one incident (a homicide) can be directly linked to any one change in circumstance (gun entering the system).

So yeah, if there are more guns there will be more gun violence. There is a correlation, we agree.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
6. My OP was about
Wed Sep 20, 2023, 08:08 PM
Sep 2023

"number of hate crime incidents involving the use or threatened use of a firearm". Guns and threats. Somehow you deflect to ignorance as if that's an explanation. I ask if there were any other corollaries. Your response was to run off down the NRA/ILA rat-hole of correlation not being relevant if causation can't be established.

Correlation is absolutely relevant. More guns = more violence. More cars on a freeway, more car crashes. More swimming pools more drownings.

On another note; when you first started replying in my threads I said I recognized your literary style, that I thought I knew you in a former incarnation, one no longer able to post here. There has only been one person to say to me "you do you" in the almost 20 years I've been here. That isn't an oft used phrase. Just a coincidence I suppose . . .

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
7. Grand conspiracy theories
Wed Sep 20, 2023, 08:10 PM
Sep 2023

But you do you. I feel like that’s a pretty common phrase. Feel free to correct me.

On edit, who do you think I was in my former life? Inquiring minds and so on and so forth. And on further edit, are you suggesting I should be banned from this website because you disagree with me? That seems very authoritarian.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
8. The phrase is about 15 years old and more common in some black communities.
Wed Sep 20, 2023, 09:40 PM
Sep 2023

Some other usages actually go back 200 years. As I said, in 18 years here only two have used that phrase to me. Mere coincidence I'm sure.

I'm not suggesting you be banned. I just find it erie that you seem so familiar. As I said I'm sure it's pure coincidence.

Authoritarian is a big word. Careful how it's tossed around.



ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
9. Prosecute the crime.
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 03:05 AM
Sep 2023

Give an appropriate sentence.
This is a proven method to lower the crime rates.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
10. Actually it has little deterrent.
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 01:15 PM
Sep 2023

Posting from phone so links are hard but all studies I find say it is ineffective to increase punishment. Seems criminals don't know the sentences for their crimes and don't plan to get caught anyway.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,558 posts)
11. I've read that prison isn't a real threat to repeat criminals.
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 03:25 PM
Sep 2023

Of course letting them out again isn't much help.

yagotme

(3,816 posts)
12. I know of prisoners planning their second bit while getting locked up for their first.
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 08:18 PM
Sep 2023

If they're locked up for an extended time for gun violence, then how can they possibly commit more? Feel free to quote me, as I have been informed that I've been blocked by a certain individual here.

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