Gun Control & RKBA
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What was likely intended to be a quick smash-and-grab property crime turned into a nightmare for three Florida men last week when the homeowner defended the private property by opening fire on the intruders, authorities say.
Rather than walk away with someone elses belongings and before they had the chance to potentially harm anyone, two of them were shot one fatally. The third was quickly arrested
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Silent Type
(6,652 posts)ret5hd
(21,320 posts)that gets to shoot somebody and get a pat on the back for doing it???
Silent Type
(6,652 posts)Give em a chance and theyll shoot an unarmed teenager rummaging in the carport.
I do think once someone is in your house, they are a danger. But sounds like killing them wasnt the only option here.
yagotme
(3,816 posts)You bring up training, I wonder what your view is on it. I have seen anti-gunners on this site complain about gun owners "training to kill", then complain that gun owners don't train enough after an accidental shooting. Just wondered how you felt about that issue.
Silent Type
(6,652 posts)for HOME protection, etc., you should be under surveillance. Most public toters are scum like George Zimmerman and/or too paranoid/afraid to be trusted with lethal weapons.
yagotme
(3,816 posts)Silent Type
(6,652 posts)yagotme
(3,816 posts)You responded with a post that had nothing to do about training. I asked again how you felt about training, and here we are. And, what gun love junk am I posting? That anti-gunners state 2 different opinions at 2 different times? Little hard to follow logic when that happens. Calls for policy change when 2 different views are presented at the same time makes things difficult. Just wanted to know how you felt about it. I guess I know, now.
Silent Type
(6,652 posts)if you are training with assault style rifles, hi cap mags, etc., you are no longer interested in self defense other than an excuse to use your lethal toys. And, gun supporters again, particularly assault style weapons are not interested in a better society.
yagotme
(3,816 posts)Restricting certain types, or all of them? And "toting isn't fully defined, either. Do you mean ALL firearms carry, or just open carry?
Training with other than an "assault weapon" is OK, then? Do you have a good description of an "assault weapon"? Many descriptions have been offered on this site, some, completely wrong. Just want to make sure we're on the same page.
What does supporting the 2d amendment, "gun supporters", have to do with a better society? No guns, no violence? That won't happen, and for more than one reason. There was violence in the world before guns, and would be long after you would get rid of them. Violence is currently committed without firearms, in case you need a cite.
ret5hd
(21,320 posts)yagotme
(3,816 posts)I have not posted anything about having intercourse with firearms, nor the killing/injuring of multiple beings. You might want to take a chill pill, and breathe deep for a moment.
ret5hd
(21,320 posts)yagotme
(3,816 posts)I answered "I didn't." Asked, answered. Your post is incorrect.
ret5hd
(21,320 posts)Silent Type
(6,652 posts)yagotme
(3,816 posts)Transference, I believe it's called? And, when you assume...
Silent Type
(6,652 posts)yagotme
(3,816 posts)Do you change the oil in your car? Oil bicycle chain? Clean microwave? I can ask silly questions, too. But, it just makes things sillier, doesn't it?
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)It will have zero impact on crime.
Silent Type
(6,652 posts)yagotme
(3,816 posts)Less drunks means less DUI accidents/deaths. Sounds like a plan. Oh, wait...
Silent Type
(6,652 posts)even though booze and guns dont mix.
yagotme
(3,816 posts)Sit outside a bar out in the suburbs/rural area. Nearly everyone there arrived by car. Betcha a lot drive themselves home, too.
We can do this all day.
Skittles
(159,240 posts)this is their reasoning why school shootings are just collateral damage
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)What would you prefer?
Skittles
(159,240 posts)not everyone is a gun humper
DONE HERE
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)But thanks for playing I guess. That individual had every right to defend the home. Glad we have the 2d Amendment to the Constitution and it is a key platform for Democrats to defend.
Silent Type
(6,652 posts)If there is evidence you shot them fleeing, especially if they were unarmed and did not attack you, then that presumption begins to weaken.
Too many innocent people shot on the front porch or front yard for me to play these what ifs with gunners.
yagotme
(3,816 posts)Closest is near the bottom, where the word "inside" is used. No info on where, how, how many shots, etc. Might have to wait for a better source to determine. Being "under investigation", it may be awhile.
Silent Type
(6,652 posts)yagotme
(3,816 posts)Not gonna try to read between those lines.
Silent Type
(6,652 posts)yagotme
(3,816 posts)You're in it, in case you weren't aware. It's up to OP to decide to post it or not. If you don't like it, don't click on it, trash it, or report it. You DO have options here.
Silent Type
(6,652 posts)yagotme
(3,816 posts)Of course. I was only answering the question you posted above. Did you forget that you asked it?
AndyS
(14,559 posts)Gun violence is a public health crisis in the United States. Over 100,000 people are shot and nearly 40,000 people die annually from gunsdevastating countless families, friends, and communities. We can and will make gun violence a thing of the past. Addressing the gun violence crisis requires supporting evidence-based programs that prevent gun deaths from occurring in the first place, including by making mental health care more accessible and supporting suicide reduction initiatives, funding interventions to reduce homicides and gun violence in neighborhoods, and strengthening protections against domestic violence. Democrats will also ensure the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have sufficient resources to study gun violence as a public health issue, including the ongoing health care, mental health, economic, and social costs that can affect survivors and their families for years.
Democrats will enact universal background checks, end online sales of guns and ammunition, close dangerous loopholes that currently allow stalkers, abusive partners, and some individuals convicted of assault or battery to buy and possess firearms, and adequately fund the federal background check system. We will close the "Charleston loophole" and prevent individuals who have been convicted of hate crimes from possessing firearms. Democrats will ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high capacity magazines. We will incentivize states to enact licensing requirements for owning firearms and extreme risk protection order laws that allow courts to temporarily remove guns from the possession of those who are a danger to themselves or others. We will pass legislation requiring that guns be safely stored in homes. And Democrats believe that gun companies should be held responsible for their products, just like any other business, and will prioritize repealing the law that shields gun manufacturers from civil liability.
Gun rights are a losing issue. Get used to it.
yagotme
(3,816 posts)Former Pres Clinton agreed with it, too.
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)For who? Certainly not gun owners or supporters of the Constitution. If anything, gun rights have strengthened and expanded over the last 30 years.
yagotme
(3,816 posts)As per Pres. Clinton, upon the loss of the House after passing the 1994 AWB.
AndyS
(14,559 posts)Gun control a strong issue for anyone supporting the American People:
If, on the other hand, you're a Republican . . .
Almost all of this money comes from:
The NSSF
Gun Owners of America
The NRA
Almost none of this money is from membership, but from the gun makers filtered through these organizations.
If you want votes, go for gun control, if you want money with blood on it go Republican.
I know as much or more about the mythological 2nd as anyone and I'm here to tell you the 2nd isn't what you've been told by the NRA and NSSF
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)Doesnt seem like the sort of data point that justifies infringing on the individual right of the people to keep and bear arms.
yagotme
(3,816 posts)I guess legality has no bearing on the answers.
AndyS
(14,559 posts)However what you think is moot because you're simply wrong on this point.
The Mouth
(3,285 posts)They valued someone else's stuff more than their own life. No loss.
Fla_Democrat
(2,569 posts)but you know who wasn't shot around 2:10 PM on Friday? Over 300 million people who didn't break into someone's house.
I reckon there's a lesson in there, somewhere.
The Mouth
(3,285 posts)Good riddance.
Kudos to the homeowner for taking out the trash.