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Related: About this forumThe GOP has destroyed truth in American public debate ("America is facing an epistemic crisis")
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16588964/america-epistemic-crisisThis is perhaps the best -- and most important -- article I have read all year. Because it gets at the root cause of our current democratic crisis.
What if Mueller proves his case and it doesnt matter?
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In short, what if Mueller proves the case and its not enough? What if there is no longer any evidentiary standard that could overcome the influence of right-wing media?
In their place, the right has created its own parallel set of institutions, most notably its own media ecosystem.
But the rights institutions are not of the same kind as the ones they seek to displace. Mainstream scientists and journalists see themselves as beholden to values and standards that transcend party or faction. They try to separate truth from tribal interests and have developed various guild rules and procedures to help do that. They see themselves as neutral arbiters, even if they do not always uphold that ideal in practice.
But the right did not want better neutral arbiters. The institutions it built scarcely made any pretense of transcending faction; they are of and for the right. There is nominal separation of conservative media from conservative politicians, think tanks, and lobbyists, but in practice, they are all part of the conservative movement. They are prosecuting its interests; that is the ur-goal.
Indeed, the far right rejects the very idea of neutral, binding arbiters; there is only Us and Them.
And now we will all reap the consequences.
ariadne0614
(1,877 posts)I read this in the dark before dawn this morning. It made my blood run cold.
rzemanfl
(30,299 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)the Secretary of State was dispatched to Paris to inform De Gaulle of the situation.
"To illustrate Americas past credibility, Kerry related an anecdote about the French president, Charles de Gaulle:
We can remember when President Kennedy in the Cuban missile crisis sent his secretary of state to Paris to meet with de Gaulle. And in the middle of the discussion, to tell them about the missiles in Cuba, he said, "Here, let me show you the photos." And de Gaulle waved them off and said, "No, no, no, no. The word of the president of the United States is good enough for me."
Imagine anyone today making such a statement about Trump's word.
Irish_Dem
(59,523 posts)IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,115 posts)... I was a senior in high school, and even then I could see the subterfuge. And as a reminder:
" In 1948 Dulles and Wisner officially created Operation MOCKINGBIRD by raising Reichs minister of Propaganda and Public Enlightenment, Paul Josef Goebbels Nazi mass media propaganda machine in America. "
https://amunaor.com/2012/09/08/blowback-reinhard-gehlen-nazi-father-cia-dont-look-back/
Irish_Dem
(59,523 posts)They damaged America a great deal.
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,115 posts)... you know that and I know that, but THEY don't know that. Glad I wasn't labeled a heretic, ha
Irish_Dem
(59,523 posts)Some of the truth is too hard to hear and heart breaking.
Shanti Mama
(1,288 posts)Seriously, thank you. Excellent article, though I hate to think about this possibility.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,560 posts)thanks for posting.
TygrBright
(20,987 posts)cos dem
(916 posts)I really fear the only way out is for people to suffer the fate they brought on themselves. Nothing like seeing pain up close to bring you back to reality. If we have to go that route, it will not be pretty. I hope this country emerges alive on the other side of this mess, because in my darkest fears, it does not.
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,205 posts)They would rather entertain with "news" than edify and elucidate with facts.
They generate controversy when they can (making "news" ), and create the appearance of controversy when there is little.
They gin up horse races when rationally there should not be one. That's why Trump got $1 Billion in free media exposure and took the RepubliCON nomination.
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,205 posts)Critical thinking has been systematically degraded over four decades. People no longer expect it or want guidance with it. Many are not able to even exercise it.
Confirmation bias has been fostered on the right. Sorry to have to say it, but it fits with religious belief and reflexive patriotism.
DK504
(3,847 posts)it seems 40% of Americans don't believe it. From legal cases to climate change, facts don't matter any longer.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)And the article goes into greater depth about how the right has systematically undermined all sources of neutral truth - media, science, journalism.
And now all the right wing lying press is deployed in service of tax cuts for billionaires.
hibbing
(10,402 posts)I would like to see a poll taken today to see how many Americans think it was Iraqis that attacked NYC. I would imagine it would be pretty high. That does not happen by mistake.
Peace
Fiendish Thingy
(18,773 posts)dgauss
(1,139 posts)It wasn't taken seriously enough. It was treated as a figure of speech or some kind of metaphor, but it was an admission of an actual strategy and we are living with the consequences of that strategy.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)But no one listened.
Krugman was writing about propaganda from conservatives since 2000. His colleagues in the NYT news section didnt pay attention till 2016, and they still havent fully embraced the problems.
bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)terms... DT might have been right about shooting people in Times Square. If he did, you can bet CNN would have a panel of half Republican stooges on to give it a false equivalency.
Wolf Blitzer would be perpetually perplexed.
And as far as FOX and the RW radio crowd, it would be the victim's fault.
It's hard to be optimistic in such circumstances.