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Eugene

(62,646 posts)
Sat Jan 8, 2022, 06:41 AM Jan 2022

Marine officer blames bad information for sinking tragedy

Source: Associated Press

Marine officer blames bad information for sinking tragedy

By JULIE WATSON
January 8, 2022

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. (AP) — A Marine Corps battalion commander testified Friday that in retrospect he would have halted the exercise that killed nine of his Marines whose amphibious assault vehicle sank off the Southern California coast but at the time he did not have accurate information to make such a decision.

Lt. Col. Michael J. Regner said his decisions were based in part on what other commanders told him, including that all the Marines had completed their swim certifications and that the aging vehicles they were in had been fixed and were ready for the mission.

He said he was also unaware that the Navy had changed plans that day and did not launch a safety boat.

“Had I known that at the time, I would have said ‘No we’re not going to go into the ocean without a safety boat,’” Regner said.

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Read more: https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-90c08b3b1c9de4beec67d53630d4a95a

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Marine officer blames bad information for sinking tragedy (Original Post) Eugene Jan 2022 OP
What knucklehead decided to not have a safety boat launched? Sherman A1 Jan 2022 #1
Yes, a failure of leadership on many levels. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #3
"investigation found inadequate training, shabby maintenance and poor judgment Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #2
My Marine ROTC instructor explained ASSUME to me exboyfil Jan 2022 #4
This is FUBAR, and tragic MyMission Jan 2022 #5
Awful training accident DashOneBravo Jan 2022 #6

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. What knucklehead decided to not have a safety boat launched?
Sat Jan 8, 2022, 06:45 AM
Jan 2022

And one would think that the other questions raised in the article would not even have to be considered as everyone should know how to swim and vehicles need to be ready to go. This incident has multiple failures by to many people involved.

Irish_Dem

(57,386 posts)
2. "investigation found inadequate training, shabby maintenance and poor judgment
Sat Jan 8, 2022, 07:00 AM
Jan 2022

by leaders led to the July 30, 2020, sinking of the amphibious assault vehicle in one of the deadliest Marine training accidents in decades." (9 Marines were killed.)

exboyfil

(17,995 posts)
4. My Marine ROTC instructor explained ASSUME to me
Sat Jan 8, 2022, 08:13 AM
Jan 2022

After I screwed up. Seems some of these Marines didn't get that lesson.

MyMission

(2,000 posts)
5. This is FUBAR, and tragic
Sat Jan 8, 2022, 09:33 AM
Jan 2022

They're yanking on this chain of command, and others, to find the bad links.

Why weren't all crew trained or certified swimmers, which includes underwater maneuvers?
It seems this battalion commander wasn't in charge of that portion, and was told and assumed they were or would be ready? He had to trust his co-commanders and chain of command.

And the same with the vehicles, someone else was responsible for that, and Regner was trusting them to provide functioning equipment.

And he wasn't told the Navy wasn't launching a safety boat, but someone knew.

Hopefully they'll develop new protocols.
Whenever there's a training accident, they do try to figure out how to make sure it doesn't happen again.

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