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James48

(4,592 posts) Mon Oct 10, 2022, 03:22 PM Oct 2022

What air defense can we give Ukraine?

Did we still have any old Hawk antiaircraft missile systems still in storage? Or old Vulcan anti-aircraft vehicles?

I’m old school, and don’t know what else is still in inventory from old days. Hawks would help Ukraine greatly with their drone and helicopter issues.

Anybody know? Anything pre-Patriot missile hardware?

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What air defense can we give Ukraine? (Original Post) James48 Oct 2022 OP

Ukraine rso Oct 2022 #1

I'm reading that no defense will be perfect. The real answer Tomconroy Oct 2022 #2

I agree. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #5

Redirect SA military aid to the Ukraine Layzeebeaver Oct 2022 #3

We are providing NASAMS AD system Abnredleg Oct 2022 #4

How many do we have? James48 Oct 2022 #6

We don't use the system Abnredleg Oct 2022 #7

Ukraine to get Hawk systems. James48 Oct 2022 #8

rso

(2,437 posts)

1. Ukraine

Reply to James48 (Original post)

Mon Oct 10, 2022, 03:34 PM

Oct 2022

We provide multiple Patriot air defense batteries to questionable ally Saudi Arabia to protect them from the Houthis and Iran, we should certainly provide them to Ukraine.

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)

2. I'm reading that no defense will be perfect. The real answer

Reply to James48 (Original post)

Mon Oct 10, 2022, 03:38 PM

Oct 2022

is probably F16s

Irish_Dem

(55,971 posts)

5. I agree.

Reply to Tomconroy (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 10, 2022, 04:19 PM

Oct 2022

F-16s.

Ukraine needs to get control of the air.

Layzeebeaver

(1,861 posts)

3. Redirect SA military aid to the Ukraine

Reply to James48 (Original post)

Mon Oct 10, 2022, 03:41 PM

Oct 2022

Do it now.

Air defence and any other stuff.

Abnredleg

(763 posts)

4. We are providing NASAMS AD system

Reply to James48 (Original post)

Mon Oct 10, 2022, 03:47 PM

Oct 2022

Which is a very advanced short to medium range AD system. Once the war ends we’ll likely provide Patriot but that’s an extremely complicated system to operate so it will take time for the Ukrainians to get up to speed with it.

HAWK left the inventory over 30 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASAMS

James48

(4,592 posts)

6. How many do we have?

Reply to Abnredleg (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 10, 2022, 04:29 PM

Oct 2022

And how many can we spare? Built in Norway? Can we get a U.S. production going just for us, in volume?

Abnredleg

(763 posts)

7. We don't use the system

Reply to James48 (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 10, 2022, 04:45 PM

Oct 2022

(Except for a couple protecting Washington DC). But we do widely use the missile launched by the system and have many in stock. We’ve promised 18 systems, and some have already been delivered.

James48

(4,592 posts)

8. Ukraine to get Hawk systems.

Reply to James48 (Original post)

Fri Oct 14, 2022, 06:58 AM

Oct 2022

Good. That will help.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-to-receive-hawk-aspide-surface-to-air-missiles-from-spain

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