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unhappycamper

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Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:03 AM Jun 2013

BAE Pushes Its T-X Bird At Paris Show; Gen. Welsh Tells DC ‘We’re On Track’

http://breakingdefense.com/2013/06/19/bae-pushes-its-t-x-bird-at-paris-show-gen-welsh-tells-dc-were-on-track/



BAE Pushes Its T-X Bird At Paris Show; Gen. Welsh Tells DC ‘We’re On Track’
By Colin Clark on June 19, 2013 at 11:01 AM

PARIS AIR SHOW: It is one of the hottest competitions for which there is not yet a formal Pentagon program. The Air Force’s next generation trainer — known as T-X — will be worth some $11 billion for some 350 planes. Lockheed Martin and the South Korean maker of the T-50 have teamed up to offer the South Korean trainer. General Dynamics said early this year that it would partner with the Italian company Alenia Aermacchi and plump down the Italian M-346. And there is the company many assume is the front runner, BAE Systems, who plan to offer their plane, called the Hawk. BAE has supplied Britain, Canada and Australia, our three closest allies with trainers and the first British squadrons trained in the Hawk have just graduated.

But the Air Force senior leadership, which has told reporters and industry that it really, really needs a new trainer to replace Northrop Grumman’s T-38 trainer, which is on average almost 45 years old. In fact, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh said yesterday in Washington that it’s going to happen.

“We’re on track… to have a new trainer by 2023 or ’24,” Gen. Welsh said Monday at an Air Force Association breakfast. “It comes up in every discussion,” he added. “A new trainer is like the tide.” But unlike the tide, it’s not clear when it will actually come in. It certainly sounds as if Welsh is signaling there’s going to be money in the 2015 budget.

That said, Welsh went on, there are questions the Air Force has yet to answer about its pilot training program and how many different types of trainers the service needs to buy. “Do you need three aircraft? Do you need two aircraft?” he said. “Does pilot training need to fundamentally change?”
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BAE Pushes Its T-X Bird At Paris Show; Gen. Welsh Tells DC ‘We’re On Track’ (Original Post) unhappycamper Jun 2013 OP
I know where we can get FREE trainers that look just like that: catnhatnh Jun 2013 #1
Except they're all just as old and worn out as the current T-38s. Angleae Jun 2013 #2

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
1. I know where we can get FREE trainers that look just like that:
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:34 AM
Jun 2013


Unless they've all been used for drones...

Oh look-we still have them...
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Edited to add:Obviously the F4 would be a much better choice with its 2 seats and we have TONS of those that could be detuned and retrofitted as trainers...

Angleae

(4,638 posts)
2. Except they're all just as old and worn out as the current T-38s.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 04:17 PM
Jun 2013

Aircraft do not age well, even sitting around in the desert.

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