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Dover

(19,788 posts)
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 11:23 PM Dec 2011

Does anyone have a tool room/workshop that runs entirely on solar?

I may be wrong, but my assumption has been that power to run all those tools creates too much of a load to make solar plausible and an affordable solution. Maybe the main residence/house actually draws more. Just don't know, and will have to ask a solar installer.
I just thought that if anyone has done a solar workshop they might be able to share some first hand experience.

Right now we're still connected to the grid but want to eventually get off it entirely. Of course it would be much less expensive to
just hook the workshop up to the grid, but we're trying to determine if it makes sense to
install solar in the workshop now (if solar would even power it) instead of attach it to the grid initially and then switch.



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Does anyone have a tool room/workshop that runs entirely on solar? (Original Post) Dover Dec 2011 OP
Sort of... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #1
Thanks for that information Dover Dec 2011 #2
Sure... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #3
Wow, you're so knowledgable about this subject. Dover Dec 2011 #4
Here's a couple of resources... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #5
You've been SO very helpful. My sincere gratitude. Dover Dec 2011 #6

Bob Wallace

(549 posts)
1. Sort of...
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 03:32 PM
Dec 2011

I'm off the grid for everything. (It would have cost about $300,000 to hook up to the grid.)

I have a full wood working shop and have been using it as I built the house around me. Sunny days I can use table saw, planner, jointer, whatever as much as I like.

If you've got access to the grid I'd suggest you hook to the grid. That way you will not have to deal with storage (I've got a dozen 'golf cart' batteries).

Then, and I highly recommend this, get some solar panels on your house. That way the power you create will not have to be stored.

From a financial standpoint it does not make sense to disconnect from the grid. You cannot store power as cheaply as you can buy power during off-peak hours. Panels will provide your sunny daytime power and create credits for power during the other parts of the day when your panels are not producing.

Design your system so that you can add more panels as prices fall.

Dover

(19,788 posts)
2. Thanks for that information
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 11:16 PM
Dec 2011

It's encouraging to hear that you can pretty much use what you need and those tools don't drain your stored power.

Not sure I understand what your rationale is for the panels on the house (direct rather than stored power). Are you saying
that those panels would be used to supplement the residence (during the day) or the workshop and any 'extra' power would
be fed back into the grid? I'm assuming that the panels are designed in a way that I could eventually tie them into battery
storage to be more independent of the grid (which is the goal).


Also what type of panel are you using and how many do you use for the workshop?

Bob Wallace

(549 posts)
3. Sure...
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 01:15 AM
Dec 2011

Don't know why you want to get off the grid, but if that's what you want to do it's up to you. The grid is cheap "storage" and backup. Unless someone invents really cheap batteries you're going to spend more by running an independent utility company.

That said, if you want to get off the grid I would advise doing it in stages. For now hook your shop to the grid. Then put some panels wherever you have the best sun. House, shop, ground-mount in the back yard - matters less than good sun. And the ability to scrape off the snow if that's an issue where you live.

Ideally you should be able to get to your panels and adjust their angle about four times a year as the Sun rises and falls in the sky.

Do that and you start out with a "grid tie" inverter. It will take the DC from your panels and convert it to 120vac. That 120vac will get fed into the grid on your side of the meter. The amount you use will replace the power you would have purchased from the utility company. It won't matter whether you use the power in your house or in your shop. Any surplus will feed back to the utility company. Depending on the regulations where you live you will get credit for power provided and can use utility company power later, or some other system.

By starting grid-tied you will qualify for the 30% federal subsidy and possibly state and local subsidies. Starting off the grid, you won't.

Later if you want to get off the grid you'll have to add batteries, a charge controller (to keep the batteries from overcharging) and a battery to 120vac inverter. You can get a 240vac output by "stacking" two inverters if you need the higher voltage for tools. When you pick your inverter(s) get one with a high surge capacity so that larger tools like table saws will start easily.

For my system I've got 1.2kW of panels, 16 - 75 watt panels. Mine are ground mounted so that I can get the snow off of them more easily, but I'm thinking about putting them on the roof as I've got some Douglas firs starting to shade them in the winter months. It's move the panels or drop some big trees that got much taller in the last ten years.

From around the middle of April until the middle of November I don't even think about how much power is in my batteries. I'm usually full by lunchtime. The only time I used my generator this last "sunny season" was one day when I was sanding floors and pulling a lot of power.

I installed my system when panels were about 4x as expensive as they now are. I'm probably going to add more panels in the next couple of years, especially if I move mine to the roof. That should really help me cut back on generator use. Not that I need the genny a lot, but I'd rather not be burning the gas if possible. And the panels should last for decades.

Dover

(19,788 posts)
4. Wow, you're so knowledgable about this subject.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 02:42 AM
Dec 2011

Thank you for explaining it so thoroughly. I think doing a gradual switch is good advice. There's no shortage of sun
where I live so it just makes sense to me to use it and ween myself off of a centralized and fossil fuel generated grid.
And it's really helpful to talk to people who have already moved in that direction.

Thanks again. I'm bookmarking this!

Bob Wallace

(549 posts)
5. Here's a couple of resources...
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:30 AM
Dec 2011

First, Sun Electric. They have some incredible prices. I'm linking the page that should take you to grid-tie, stand alone, grid-tie with backup systems.

http://www.sunelec.com/pv-systems-c-1.html?zenid=b83a233f4ae8f6e831022090ab31a78d

Some notes:

"Laminates" are solar panels without the frame and junction box. You can save a little bit by going the laminate route and making your own frames and doing the gluing/soldering to attach the junction boxes, but you don't save all that much.

The inverters in their packages are good quality brands as are the other parts I've been able to check.

They don't included mounting racks in their systems as "one size does not fit all", but they will work with you to figure out what you'll need. The other option is to build your own racks.

I haven't done business with these people, but I've seen other people say good things about them and when I checked their on line feedback it was pretty good. Apparently they do a lot of business through eBay. That's where I found most feedback. You should do your own due diligence.

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These are good people. I've done business with them for 15 years or so and they've been helpful and delivered exactly what they promised each time.

http://www.backwoodssolar.com/

I'd recommend getting a copy of their catalog. There should be some good info in it on system design.

They also have several articles on line.

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Then, the 'mother load' - Home Power magazine.

http://homepower.com/home/

You might want to visit your library and see if they have back issues. Thumb through a few and you'll likely see stories on grid-tie and off-grid systems aimed at people just getting started.

They also have good info on line.

This page might be a good place to start...

http://homepower.com/basics/solar/

Dover

(19,788 posts)
6. You've been SO very helpful. My sincere gratitude.
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 01:04 AM
Dec 2011

I've saved all this info to read over the holidays. Wishing you a wonderful holiday!

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