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(48,797 posts)
Mon Jul 17, 2023, 10:28 PM Jul 2023

They Had Great Credit Scores. Then They Retired.

Cross posting from Personal Finance

https://www.democraticunderground.com/11214890

Even people with pristine records of on-time payments can expect their scores to slip after they stop working. While stopping work or living on a fixed income don’t ding your credit directly, scaling back one’s lifestyle in retirement or paying off old loans can affect a score, said Ethan Dornhelm, vice president of scores and analytics at FICO. Credit scores matter to millions of retirees even if they are less likely to apply for mortgages, loans or other debt, financial advisers said. Scores are used in a range of insurance and healthcare decisions, from setting your premiums to whether you are accepted to an assisted-living facility.

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Average FICO scores rise as consumers get older, peaking in one’s 70s at 762, according to company data. After age 79, the average score falls to 756. As long as your score stays in the 660-780 range that most lenders consider “good,” a small postretirement drop shouldn’t affect your finances much, credit-industry executives said. A decline in score matters most to those who fall below that threshold.

Retirees typically have longer credit histories, which keep overall credit scores healthy, but closing decades-old accounts, even inactive ones, can cause a steep drop in your score. Income and employment data aren’t included in the calculation, but credit scores do reward borrowers for having a mix of different kinds of loans, which can hurt those who have already paid off mortgages and auto loans...To maintain a healthy credit score, retirees should continue to keep credit accounts active by using them regularly, Dornhelm of FICO said...

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Most seniors’ debt is tied up in mortgages, although many retirees are carrying credit-card debt, according to the National Council on Aging. The combination of lower or fixed income in retirement with higher interest rates and inflation can quickly make debt burdens unmanageable for retirees, advisers said.

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They Had Great Credit Scores. Then They Retired. (Original Post) question everything Jul 2023 OP
Biggest crooks ever kevink077 Jul 2023 #1
+1 2naSalit Jul 2023 #8
I'm done with them. 62K left on mortgage and then they can pound sand. jimfields33 Jul 2023 #16
Current plan is to work until I am 70 liberal N proud Jul 2023 #2
Paid off my credit cards years ago. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2023 #3
me too. and I have alert notification with Experian, so they like to tell me my credit score is BlueWaveNeverEnd Jul 2023 #5
Yes Timewas Jul 2023 #4
Really? PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2023 #6
817 is a very good credit score Fiendish Thingy Jul 2023 #7
Right. Which is why I don't understand PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2023 #11
I think some seniors' score lowers the older they get Fiendish Thingy Jul 2023 #17
Still paying a mortgage. 2naSalit Jul 2023 #9
So maybe the conventional advice that you absolutely must have PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2023 #19
It seems to me... 2naSalit Jul 2023 #21
Just keep a bank debit card, maybe a credit card too... brush Jul 2023 #10
Yes. You are exactly right. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2023 #12
Guess there's more than one way to do it. I don't carry much cash. brush Jul 2023 #15
I have a credit card which is paid off every month. My other bills, PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2023 #20
It's not impossible to remedy tho... Mr. Scorpio Jul 2023 #13
This likely hurts renters, of which I am one. LisaM Jul 2023 #14
This may be true but it isn't my experience. Joinfortmill Jul 2023 #18
I'm almost 82 and my score is above 800. trof Aug 2023 #22

kevink077

(466 posts)
1. Biggest crooks ever
Mon Jul 17, 2023, 10:32 PM
Jul 2023

These credit companies should be the most regulated companies in the history of commerce. Instead they are allowed to screw people for profit .

2naSalit

(92,665 posts)
8. +1
Mon Jul 17, 2023, 11:20 PM
Jul 2023

I have the upper hand here... I'm poor and have no plans to borrow for anything and I'll have to move again but I have that covered so I don't need them and their credit rating. The last dealings I had with an outfit of that kind was them telling me they were hacked and I was vulnerable.

jimfields33

(18,837 posts)
16. I'm done with them. 62K left on mortgage and then they can pound sand.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 06:10 AM
Jul 2023

I’m 54 and hopefully I’ll pay off the house by 60. I don’t care if the credit score goes to zero after that

liberal N proud

(60,944 posts)
2. Current plan is to work until I am 70
Mon Jul 17, 2023, 10:37 PM
Jul 2023

If my health permits.

Hopefully by 70, I won’t need credit.

5-1/2 years to go, just started a new career, new challenges

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(10,197 posts)
5. me too. and I have alert notification with Experian, so they like to tell me my credit score is
Mon Jul 17, 2023, 11:06 PM
Jul 2023

reduced. LOL

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,727 posts)
6. Really?
Mon Jul 17, 2023, 11:07 PM
Jul 2023

I am retired, 74 years old, still paying a mortgage. My credit score is 817. What am I doing wrong?

Okay, so I don't have ongoing credit card debt, as I pay off my credit card each and every month.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,506 posts)
17. I think some seniors' score lowers the older they get
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 09:28 AM
Jul 2023

Low or No verifiable income, and lender may feel they won’t live long enough to pay off the debt.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,727 posts)
19. So maybe the conventional advice that you absolutely must have
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 09:43 AM
Jul 2023

your mortgage paid off to retire is actually bad advice.

After a divorce at age 60 I moved to another part of the country and bought a home. 30 year mortgage. The payment is just about exactly 25% of my income. So highly affordable. Yeah, it's nice if you buy a home when you're 25 or 30, and so it's paid off by retirement, but not everyone's life works out that way.

2naSalit

(92,665 posts)
21. It seems to me...
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 09:52 AM
Jul 2023

That our economy, for we little people, requires that you maintain debt of some sort for which you make regular payments in order to be in good standing (in the game). You are no longer considered a participant worth taking "risk" on if you don't have a regular obligation to someone or some agreement to which you part from your money on a schedule.

brush

(57,471 posts)
10. Just keep a bank debit card, maybe a credit card too...
Mon Jul 17, 2023, 11:42 PM
Jul 2023

and use them to shop online or charge groceries to them or restaurant meals out.Don't overdo it, keep your spending the same, just put it on one of the cards. Pay you bills on time every montn and your score with stay the same.

That's what I've been doing since retiring. I refi-ed my mortgage a couple of years ago and reduced my mortgage $2400 to $1568 (fair credit but a bunch of equity in the house), then the credit when up after paying everything on time for a year, in the 760 range.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,727 posts)
12. Yes. You are exactly right.
Mon Jul 17, 2023, 11:57 PM
Jul 2023

I personally don't use a debit card (I have one, but only use it to take cash from my checking account for spending money each week) but you might prefer to use one. However, I've noticed that those who use debit cards often wind up spending a lot more money than they should. Personally, I don't use a debit card (other than to take cash for my spending money each week, as already stated). I've noticed that young people who use debit cards to pay for almost everything simply don't have money left in their accounts. Hmmm. Think about it.

I'm of the opinion that debit cards are a Very Bad Idea.

brush

(57,471 posts)
15. Guess there's more than one way to do it. I don't carry much cash.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 03:25 AM
Jul 2023

I just use the card for my spending. I'm no youngster and have discipline to keep my spending at the same level as if I was paying for it with cash.

It's easy for me and it's keeps my credit rating high as I pay my bill on time every month.

How's your rating since you don't use your card but for withdrawals? Bet it would be higher if you put your spending on the card and paid your bill on time every montn. That way the credit rating companies have a record of you paying on time every month, which keeps your rating high.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,727 posts)
20. I have a credit card which is paid off every month. My other bills,
Wed Jul 19, 2023, 09:48 AM
Jul 2023

water, electricity, etc, are also paid on time. My credit score is 817, so it essentially couldn't go higher.

And I suspect a debit card doesn't affect credit scores much, since that's taking money directly from the checking account.

I also think it's a mistake to never carry any cash, as sometimes a place doesn't accept cards. Or there's a minimum charge, so you are spending more than intended.

Mr. Scorpio

(73,712 posts)
13. It's not impossible to remedy tho...
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 12:53 AM
Jul 2023

I’ve been retired for 18 years. I’ve just checked my credit score. No complaints at all.

It all depends on what kind of lifestyle you want in your later years.

LisaM

(28,594 posts)
14. This likely hurts renters, of which I am one.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 01:01 AM
Jul 2023

Heck, everything hurts renters.

As we near retirement, we will need a cheaper place and renting a new place is a pain these days, let me tell you. They check everything and charge you for it. Retirement terrifies me.

Joinfortmill

(16,381 posts)
18. This may be true but it isn't my experience.
Tue Jul 18, 2023, 01:06 PM
Jul 2023

So, I'm in my 70s with no debt. I do have 2 credit cards I pay in full each month. My credit score has been over 800 for years.

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