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Related: About this forumMy rant today about "safe spaces"
As a rule, I try to keep my commentary here at DU separate from my DK commentaries. However, I am increasingly frustrated at the way the issues of "safe spaces" is being bandied about.
Here is the link to my commentary (rant, really) at Black Kos today on "safe spaces." The piece is well-linked and you can go to DK which look so strange now!) and study the link; I will add the links here before the end of the night and before I give another swift kick to a certain post.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/17/1450407/-Black-Kos,-Tuesdays-Chile
A Rant about Safe Spaces and Public Squares
Commentary by Chitown Kev
Talk of safe spaces and public squares (especially on college campuses) are back in the news following the events and protests at the University of Missouri last week that resulted in the resignation of University of Missouri system president Tom Wolfe and Chancellor R. Bowen Loftin.
First, a working definition of safe space is necessary. The blog for the youth advocacy group Advocates for Youth offers a useful definition of "safe space."Safe space: A place where anyone can relax and be fully self-expressed, without fear of being made to feel uncomfortable, unwelcome, or unsafe on account of biological sex, race/ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, cultural background, age, or physical or mental ability; a place where the rules guard each person's self-respect and dignity and strongly encourage everyone to respect others.
According to Wikipedia, the specific nomenclature safe space evolved out of the womens movement. I disagree, somewhat, with Wikipedias notion that the first safe spaces were gay bars and consciousness raising groups. While, certainly, the name safe space was not given to black churches, according to the website of the first majority black church denomination in America, the African Methodist Episcopal Church, the seeds of what have come to be known as safe space" are certainly there:The AMEC grew out of the Free African Society (FAS) which Richard Allen, Absalom Jones, and others established in Philadelphia in 1787. When officials at St. Georges MEC pulled blacks off their knees while praying, FAS members discovered just how far American Methodists would go to enforce racial discrimination against African Americans. Hence, these members of St. Georges made plans to transform their mutual aid society into an African congregation. Although most wanted to affiliate with the Protestant Episcopal Church, Allen led a small group who resolved to remain Methodists.
In 1794 Bethel AME was dedicated with Allen as pastor. To establish Bethels independence from interfering white Methodists, Allen, a former Delaware slave, successfully sued in the Pennsylvania courts in 1807 and 1815 for the right of his congregation to exist as an independent institution. Because black Methodists in other middle Atlantic communities encountered racism and desired religious autonomy, Allen called them to meet in Philadelphia to form a new Wesleyan denomination, the AME.
Certainly the spirit in which the AME Church was founded was that of creating a safe space for African Americans to practice
religious worship without racist harassment.
It might be useful to compare the treatment of those 18th century black parishioners to the treatment of black Mizzou students on campus and in Columbia, Missouri in the 21st century as described in the Mizzou student newspaper, The Maneater, written by Jennifer Prohov:
Another student shared a story about an interaction she had with a white man in front of Roxys. She said she was with a group of protesters when he came up to her, said, You are a joke, then lunged his head backward and spat in her face.
She said it is frustrating for the students demonstrating to resist reacting to such incidents.
If anything happens, its us going to jail, not them, she said.During the demonstration, a resident from Todd Apartments yelled at the demonstrators, saying, You niggers just need to go home, the panelist said.Another student shared how his mother had tried very strongly to sway him from choosing MU, even on the car ride before dropping him off his first day. She kept telling him, "This institution is not for you. This institution is not for you. They are not going to protect you." He didnt believe her, he said.
Then he got to MU.
Three weeks into school, he was walking through Greektown to Taco Bell with several white friends when a man yelled at them, Oh look, there goes a nigger. He had to tell his friends to keep moving, he said.
Of course, this type of behavior isnt limited to black students even at Mizzou. I wonder how secure Muslim students at Mizzou felt (then and especially now, given the terrorist attacks in Paris last Friday) when the flag of the Islamic State was burned on campus.
I wonder how Hispanic students at the University of Arizona feel about a white-owned Mexican restaurant called Illegal Petes being opened near the entrance of the University.
Public spaces have been a daily and quasi-ritual site for white people to assert white supremacy since the beginning (and before) of the American Republic.
And the history of Mother Emanuel in Charleston, South Carolina alone demonstrates that many white people really dont give all that much of a damn about black people in safe spaces as well.
(I do find it to be quite ironic that, in a sense, one could say that American law and public policies such as Jim Crow, restrictive housing covenants and redlining arose out of an apparent need for whites to create safe spaces...albeit for different reasons.)
Black students (and other minorities) attend college for the same reasons that white students attend college: To find a vocation, to get out from under their parents wing, to party, etc. But it seems as if with the exception of attending HBCUs, black students, by and large, also have to deal with the utter stress of racism in the classroom, in socializing, in off-campus activities, and other areas.
For many white students (especially white men) attending American colleges and universities, public spaces are already safe spaces. That is not necessarily the case for students of color, LGBTs, and many women.
Im as big an advocate of free speech rights as anyone. However, it also seems as if far too many white people (liberal and conservative) interpret free speech rights as license to spew anything that they want at anyone, without regard to whom may be harmed as a consequence.
The idea that people of color, LGBTs, women, and others should simply suck it up infuriates me. Because for minorities, it is often a case of being quite literally a matter of life and death.
For the record, I, myself, can be a bit uncomfortable about safe spaces in practice. As a black gay man who is also an agnostic, my skepticism has as much to do with the areas inside designated safe spaces as it does with areas outside safe spaces (to an extent I talked about that skepticism of safe spaces in my essay on the Black Church).
But I understand the need for safe spaces (or, for me, safer spaces) .
And I suspect that anyone who doesn't understand that need for others to have a safe space" has never found it necessary to seek out a room of their own because the one that they are in works just fine.
Spazito
(54,812 posts)as to the true meaning of "safe spaces", the history behind them and the context as it relates to today. Thank you.
Number23
(24,544 posts)spew anything that they want at anyone."
That's pretty much it in a nutshell.
brer cat
(26,477 posts)will defend that right at the expense of all else. Tempering speech with even a little sensitivity negates the "free" as far as they are concerned. Most of the most adamant ones seem to be to be striking what they think is a very intellectual pose, but I think they come off as ignorant, arrogant fools. An infant can spew vomit and sh!t, but when we become adults we learn not to do so on our companions.
sheshe2
(88,095 posts)This one is exceptional, I read and I listen.
They are black dots on a white canvas. Sadly the artist never finished that picture.
I also want to thank for adding women as well. Yeah, me you we just need to suck it up.
Thanks Kev.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Thank you.
JustAnotherGen
(33,785 posts)What are your thoughts on this? I saw a thread at DU yesterday - and no - DO NOT post in it. No good will come of that. there's a reason why I don't take the bait in GD anymore . . .
The online protests towards has alienated me and I've shut down - can't "hear" them anymore. But Dartmouth -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027353356#post72
Don't give them the time of day by posting there. The Dartmouth incident - I'm actually on the side ofthe AfAm Library Protestors who I think should Refine - not Retreat.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)The library is such a sacred place for me, personally, that I wouldn't participate in that protest if asked, more than likely.
But I also understand that the library is a primary place where white supremacy and white privilege has resided in American society where daily humiliations of the type that I talked about in this piece here occurred.
(I remember Alice Walker writing in one of her books that unless she absolutely has to go into a library, she doesn't go into them because she associates libraries with these types of Jim Crow type humiliations...that was one of the most powerful things that I have ever read that for me, a lover of libraries, really made the reality of living under Jim Crow hit home)
Refine protests of that nature, yes. But I don't give a fuck whether people felt uncomfortable about it. I think that it was a very powerful demonstration of what white privilege actually is and how it has functioned historically and functions today.
JustAnotherGen
(33,785 posts)Yes - that's something I know.
What was shocking to me -
How quickly they were to point out how
Elitist
Coddled
Special Snow flakes
(read they MUST be rich black kids)
The protestors were.
Uh - isn't that all of Dartmouth regardless of race?
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)sheeeit, that's a whole other post there...how do they know?
I tell the few teenagers that I run into that want to go to the Harvards and Yales and whatnot...if your grades and test scores are that good and those schools accept you, they will put together a package for you to enable you to go. So if you are that good, go ahead and apply...I encourage it.
But yeah...white folks sure do hate on black people that fall outside of the black stereotypes in their little heads.
(I went to a high school with a class full of black kids that fit that profile...and would occasionally drive a BMW into the parking lot to show you...they weren't rich, they were middle-class)
randys1
(16,286 posts)JustAnotherGen
(33,785 posts)Abd remember when that happened? DU reaction? Pretty much came down to "oh fiddle dee but I didn't get a pony".
randys1
(16,286 posts)things possible, in that thread.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)and get through that thread without punching my monitor. The attitudes in that thread got worse and worse...maybe because there were only a few people posting to it. I did notice how many RECs it received. SMH.
JustAnotherGen
(33,785 posts)These folks in real life smile in your face. There are a lot of fakey fake phoney baloneys in this world who lack courage -
They will ONLY say this to their spouse/compadres (who most likely agree with them) but would never say it to you at a cocktail party.
They know better.
So the internet is the outlet for their anger and resentment.
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heaven05
(18,124 posts)attending a major university where I live, who was from MU area. He got very sad when mentioning how very racist those people are, and have been continuously for many decades. He related a story about his mother and grandmother and the racist hate and viciousness they have faced ALL their lives in that area. Michael Browns happens a lot, his was just the one to hit the fan, and is why he was at this areas university instead of MU. Responding to the KOS article as well.
Starry Messenger
(32,375 posts)"Public spaces have been a daily and quasi-ritual site for white people to assert white supremacy since the beginning (and before) of the American Republic."
mcar
(43,619 posts)Quite enlightening.
tishaLA
(14,352 posts)and I'm especially thinking of his essay (later a book) Publics and Counterpublics and has dedicated a pretty significant portion of his career to the way public spaces are structured. While he doesn't often discuss race specifically, he does spend a lot of time dealing with queer public spaces and why they are important; most of his arguments lend themselves well to race issues nonetheless. His article with Lauren Berlant, "Sex in Public," is also fantastic about the "world-making" potential of claiming space in the public sphere.
I just remembered I own another book I haven't looked at recently: "The Black Public Sphere" edited by the Black Public Sphere Collective. When I got it, I think I wanted a specific essay so I can't give an adequate overview of the book, but it's probably worth checking out if you're so inclined. The University of Chicago Press describes it this way:
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)w/r/t queer public spaces, I have thought about that subject, esp. in light of the move by some gay bars to ban bachelorette parties a few years back because of the marriage equality issue AND issues of women that would proposition (and even grope) gay men in those spaces (something that happened to me once).
blackspade
(10,056 posts)MrScorpio
(73,714 posts)Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)We've hit the tip of the iceberg on this topic in some of our personal talks.
JustAnotherGen
(33,785 posts)MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)But this I don't understand:
"Im as big an advocate of free speech rights as anyone. However, it also seems as if far too many white people (liberal and conservative) interpret free speech rights as license to spew anything that they want at anyone, without regard to whom may be harmed as a consequence. "
It's not an interpretation, THAT'S WHAT FREE SPEECH IS. You CAN spew anything, unless you're referring to "fire in a theatre" when you say "may be harmed as a consequence" (though I suspect you're talking more about feelings being hurt).
I struggle with your claim that you're "as big an advocate of free speech rights as anyone" when in the same sentence you question the very core of the right because someone might get offended.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)You cannot bust up into groups and 'free speech' them to death. I mean you can, but they will ban you. You cannot say whaever you want on du.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You appear to struggle between the concept of free speech and the wholly separate concept of consequences of that same speech.
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OneGrassRoot
(23,443 posts)because of the prevalence of the "safe space" discussion in GD, a subject I'm very, very, very interested in.
I did a site search to find all posts about this topic, and this one came up.
THIS IS BRILLIANT.
I especially appreciate:
and
Im as big an advocate of free speech rights as anyone. However, it also seems as if far too many white people (liberal and conservative) interpret free speech rights as license to spew anything that they want at anyone, without regard to whom may be harmed as a consequence.
Just wanted to thank you for this (though I see I did rec it when it was originally posted). Now I'm off to read your other posts via the links you provided.
JustAnotherGen
(33,785 posts)Thanks for kicking this up!
ismnotwasm
(42,478 posts)So predictable.
JustAnotherGen
(33,785 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,478 posts)Bitter, so bitter
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'm firmly convinced that the the petulance directed at safe spaces is merely a puerile reaction to the realization that "I can't say vulgar, abusive things to people and get away with it here as I do everywhere else!" ("everywhere else" simply being the Vastly Caucasian Neighborhoods, Bars, Super Markets and Parks that would react very badly to negative free speech directed towards white people)