I don't know if it necessarily STARTED in America. Seems like the British and other European empires were well on their way before the 13 Colonies became a country. As for whiteness predicated on racism, I'm not sure what you mean. My son spent most of this schoold year being singled out and called "white boy" by the other kids even though e's half Asian (but looks white).

Even other former colonies at least tried to hide it behind things like castes and apartheid. We were all like "you'll free my human beings over my dead body!" and started a whole fucking war. A particularly brutal one in that.

She was abused, threatened, bullied, scared to go to school, run off the road by a car....yet, her closest friends were also Hispanic. I was single, and I worked a lot, and a traditional Hispanic family was like her family. She stayed with them a lot. Their daughters were her close friends since first grade. She received much love. Her wedding attendants were her best friends from HS.
As a professional, often being the only white person in a courtroom, I really was not discriminated against. My clients were almost all Hispanic too. I disassociated with a friend because her partner kept making racists comments about Hispanics, though he denied they were racists.

I could have justified my experiences and been a racist, or do what I and my daughter did, embrace the warm and loving friends, who continue to enrich our lives. It is a choice, regardless of your race.

I have never been a racist. I stand against it, and I don't let racists comments slip by, regardless of whether they are against blacks, Hispanics, Asians, whatever. I have been ostracized a few times in my life for that, to the point of having law enforcement involved. I have more black and Hispanic very close friends than I do white, but that's just the way it has worked out for me. I talk openly w my friends about racial issues and problems.

On election night, I went to be w my closest friend, who just so happens to have beautiful black skin, because we are bonded, in our politics, and we were both very nervous. We are also bonded with our families, our personal lives, our ups and downs, and we have traveled the world together. She and my daughter, who is now a doctor, grown with her own family, are still close, and have a relationship apart from me. We will always take care of each other, like family.

My friend was working the poles on election day, and she was mistreated by the other workers, who were violating the rules, and discussing RW politics and Pres Obama in raw terms. She didn’t have a chair. She lives in a RW area, and she came home very upset. There was no question, there was racism. We filed a complaint. I wanted to personally confront the people, but she didn’t want us to. She was so upset, I feared she might have a stroke. We watched the returns and cried, like most Dems. She had so many fears that came to the surface, after that terrible day of personal discrimination, and the election of the RW bigoted government. She expressed fear of deportation, even though her family have been born in the US, as far as she remembers. However, she said, first they come for...then, there was no one else to stand up.

I deplore racism in all it's forms, and I deplore racists. I understand the need for support to form minority support and professional groups, just like we needed women's groups.

Whites have done cruel and unspeakable things to blacks and others, including whites, throughout history. Blacks have been slaveholders too, though not as much. Hispanics did cruel things to my daughter. You have to separate good people and bad people from their race, and respect the good. Resist and fight against what is right, and fight against racism.

Back to my friend who I was with for the election,
the discrimination where she lives, Phoenix, is against undocumented workers and Hispanics. She said it is so bad, she hates to go to the grocery store, when things are heated. When she hears people talking bad about Hispanics, she sees those people morph into people with white pointed hoods. It is true. If you are a racist against one group, including whites, you are against all.

for hundreds of years and still does.

Racism is a white problem.

Your son likely, due to his age, doesnt know about that history so to him it just seems unfair, and it is. But as parents and elders it is our job to explain the history to them and hope they can change it.

And I think, at this age, I don't think the kids understood the implications. But it was so disheartening because this particular group has been together since 1st grade. And it all started around the time Trump started winning the Republican nomination. It stopped after he finally made it clear to his friends how much it hurt.

1. what is good for the rich, they will get, period

2. white people are to be treated with privilege and all others are not

Are you making the argument that a group of people are morally inferior genetically and cannot overcome this hereditary flaw simply do to the color of their skin?

The right wing media has spent 40 years lying to white people and telling them minorities are taking their jobs. The GOP does this because it helps them win votes to cut taxes on their wealthy donors. The GOP knows this is a lie.

And some Americans are in a right wing media bubble.

That's why so many white Americans take offense at reverse racism - because they've been lied to by the GOP.

It's said over and over and over that we need to have national discussions on racism.

In too many cases, the descendants of the poor people that we murdered in Vietnam are still being targeted for future racism.


http://www.bkmag.com/2015/03/31/only-ten-black-students-were-offered-a-spot-at-stuyvesant-high-school-this-year-but-is-this-a-problem/

I dont get a connection to the article you linked and your comment, first of all.

So with racism at all time highs, white against any person of color racism, your concern is bigotry by black people?

When the issue of white supremacy and privilege comes up, this is your concern?

I am obviously not saying the issue you point out isnt a problem, I am clearly making a very different point.

Whites are appropriately represented as a percentage of population, and they are not seeking additional representation. Meanwhile people of color are attempting to instititional reverse racism against other people of color. The lack of white in this issue does not make it less important.

"Meanwhile people of color are attempting to instititional (sic) reverse racism against other people of color. .."

You will of course, allow us objective, unbiased evidence (as opposed to a simplistic anecdotal evidence) to support this allegation, yes?

Or (and I find this a wee bit more likely) unknown to you, your Freudian Slip is beginning to show.

Bias is inherent in humanity, hence an editorial cannot be without bias. Your own leaning bias being an accurate example of such. However, I suppose your evasive response indicates that objective evidence is not in fact, forthcoming.

Regardless, an editorial is merely a newspaper article written by or on behalf of an editor that gives an opinion on a topical issue. Not analysis not measurement-- an opinion.

What is an editorial without opinion? What is opinion without bias? A non-existent.




Rational thought is more than a trendy t-shirt worn with sandals. Hope that helps!!

It also doesn't say anything about black people discriminating against anyone.

What in the world are you talking about?

Here is the much better original New York Times article. This article is five years old, too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/education/black-at-stuyvesant-high-one-girls-experience.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all&

Here is a graphic of the ethnic change at Stuyevesant.

By way of projection.

I believe it is one form of "fear of the other," or "fear of people who are different" - which can also be called xenophobia.

Racism in the academic sense is a system of legal (both de jure and de facto), economic and social discrimination that is systematic, persistent, and widespread. That's why "white people don't experience racism" because no white person ever is subject to all of those factors in the USA. The situation is different for other countries, for sure though. Xenophobia and prejudice is bad, but the key is systematization.

For example, you mentioned Japan, I'd argue all non-Japanese people more or less face racism in Japan (though the global socioeconomic and cultural influence of the Anglo-American empires really mitigates that for white people, but even white people will increasingly run into issues if they ever try to integrate into Japan beyond "tourist", though for a black person, the level of racism in Japan can and often does represent an improvement compared to the USA).

a different perspective based on experiences I've had. I suspect the root cause of both racism and xenophobia is a genetically hard-wired distrust of "the other." Experience can overcome that fear. Or reinforce it.

Specifically the British Empire? I had a sociology professor state that modern racism stemmed from the defeat of the Spanish Armada

"Whiteness" was explicitly created to prevent African slaves and European indentureds from uniting as a class. There was a LOT of fraternization and interaction, often even marriage between the two. This creates a host of problems for a bunch of lazy fuckers who want free labor:

1: If you're too reliant on European labor, they can run away and blend into the free population; that's why the Irish slave thing never became a long term thing (btw, Irish = / = white back then). Mixed babies also make it very hard to maintain hereditary chattel slavery (again, those mixed babies can blend in better than pure Africans)

2: Those peons outnumber you by a lot, and if they're drinking, working, playing, and fornicating with each other, then at some point they realize you're stealing their labor, and they may just rise up and do something about it. Bacon's Rebellion was a HUGE turning point, but the division was already getting going. If you get those white indentureds to hate black slaves more than they hate their white masters, well, that makes things a lot easier.