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pnwmom

(109,630 posts)
Mon May 1, 2017, 06:57 PM May 2017

The far left is still out of touch with black voters.


***Posted to the African American group***

https://theestablishment.co/the-far-left-is-still-out-of-touch-with-black-voters-90194cfddba6

Black people can see this, they aren’t stupid. They see that the political fringe on the left and most of the right hates Obama for some of the same reasons. So when the far left comes out and says that the first Black President should be held to a different standard than Presidents before him — that he doesn’t deserve to get paid for his post-Presidential work or shouldn’t be compensated — the Black community feels that one of its largest symbols of success is under attack from an overwhelmingly white political movement.

Why does the far left believe the first Black president should be held to a standard of making less money? Why does the far left believe that the first Black president doesn’t deserve to be compensated for his work? These are the issues that resonate with the black community.

The rebuttal will be, well, the money is corporate, the money is from Wall Street. Well, nobody in the far left was coming for Sanders when he invested his money on Wall Street. Nobody on the far left was coming for The Young Turks when they took $4 million from Republicans. There are a plethora of organizations and publications on the far left that take big money from corporate donors, Republicans, and Wall Street investment bankers. But they are not viciously attacked for making money or taking in millions in donations. Why do they hold the first Black President to a standard they don’t hold themselves to? They haven’t just come for Obama either. They’ve heavily criticized activist DeRay and the Black women behind Safety Pin Box for making money for their work, accusing them of being beholden to corporate interests.

When Obama, DeRay, or Safety Pin Box is making money, all of a sudden the far left has a problem with it. But when their own organizations and publications are taking Wall Street or corporate donations, there is no anger, no criticism, no vitriol.

SNIP
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The far left is still out of touch with black voters. (Original Post) pnwmom May 2017 OP
Generalizations. David__77 May 2017 #1
Mc Carthyite? Well we are talking about people demonizing capitalism in ALL it's forms... bettyellen May 2017 #9
Which groups and people are these? David__77 May 2017 #10
ones who claim no difference if trump or hillary is president or that trump would be better JI7 May 2017 #11
I suppose there are some of those. David__77 May 2017 #14
The ones I'm talking about are not concerned with actual socialism and equality JI7 May 2017 #16
The groups you mention aren't binary-thinking ideologues. emulatorloo May 2017 #21
Exactly, because I can assure you I am far left, much further left than almost ANYONE here Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #61
Idiots like Susan Sarandon, Glen Greenwald and fringe lefties - fake ones that bettyellen May 2017 #12
Jane Fonda too? David__77 May 2017 #19
Did you miss the names of journalists and pundits for some reason? bettyellen May 2017 #20
I'm not familiar with Greenwald. David__77 May 2017 #23
Greenwald is a major figure for you not to be aware of. Interesting. pnwmom May 2017 #24
I have heard of them. David__77 May 2017 #25
You're not from the US then, right? n/t pnwmom May 2017 #28
I'm from the US. David__77 May 2017 #30
You didn't know about Greenwald and you seem vague about Snowden and Stein. pnwmom May 2017 #32
Ok. David__77 May 2017 #34
I think a lot of people repeated the crap he wrote vaguely "knowing" it was being shared bettyellen May 2017 #35
I think there's definitely an "anti-US" faction. David__77 May 2017 #36
I think what we saw was a loose group of people - many who were nothing more than HRC haters.... bettyellen May 2017 #37
Why would you bring up Fonda's ancient activism now, LOL? bettyellen May 2017 #26
It was misplaced. David__77 May 2017 #29
Pls, quit while you're behind. brush May 2017 #57
So silly! emulatorloo May 2017 #22
Jane Fonda supported Hillary. RandySF May 2017 #39
After this, therefore because of this? LanternWaste May 2017 #65
One individual JustAnotherGen May 2017 #48
oh the ID politics spiel told us all we needed to know. JHan May 2017 #2
The far left are more similar to the far right than they are to the vast majority of Dems. Sculpin Beauregard May 2017 #3
Except if you look at the polls of where Americans stand on the issues .... Zen Democrat May 2017 #64
MMMMMM-divisive issue for no real reason.... Boxerfan May 2017 #4
People post articles all the time here.... get over it. bettyellen May 2017 #7
Attacking Obama for something all the modern Presidents have done is certainly divisive. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #8
Posting news stories and editorials is what fuels DU n/t emulatorloo May 2017 #17
That's quite the creative and unsupported allegation. LanternWaste May 2017 #66
And they love worship $FDR$ without a smidge of thought. bettyellen May 2017 #5
He inherited his fortune so of course that's more deserving than someone who has to work for it. pnwmom May 2017 #13
I've started to think that hard work means nothing to some people.... bettyellen May 2017 #18
+1 And the bonafides should add up to something fairly significant before elected POTUS. fleabiscuit May 2017 #45
Yes! When I hear people float names like Zuckerberg or Cuban for fucks sake... bettyellen May 2017 #46
So true. Inherited wealth is often worshipped on the far left delisen Jun 2017 #77
FDR in many ways WAS an extremist - because extreme measures were required in 1933. Zen Democrat May 2017 #33
That's a great example of the fractious thinking I simply cannot wrap my brain around. LanternWaste May 2017 #67
yup. another example is michael moore JI7 May 2017 #6
A few years ago in his divorce proceeding his wealth came out -- more than $50 million then. pnwmom May 2017 #15
I'm a leftie, and confused over the criticism of Obama being well-paid for speeches. Zen Democrat May 2017 #27
Exactly. In a world where Hilary Duff can command $500 K for a speech, pnwmom May 2017 #31
thanks, I was beginning to worry about what a leftie is mdbl May 2017 #52
Bernie is the only figure on the left I've seen criticize Obama for this. RandySF May 2017 #38
elizabeth warren has also and the usual young turks and similar types JI7 May 2017 #41
MAkes sense given I believe Bernie has an agenda that if known would shock the hell Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF May 2017 #40
I see no reason to criticise Obama WellDarn May 2017 #42
Another divide and conquer post kimbutgar May 2017 #43
Don't you think criticizing Obama needlessly is divide and conquer? n/t pnwmom May 2017 #44
Yep and I it's not divide and conquer JustAnotherGen May 2017 #49
So Trump Voters who voted for an openly racist , bigoted piece of shit are not Racists JI7 May 2017 #47
Yep JustAnotherGen May 2017 #50
My thoughts as well nt Quayblue May 2017 #68
+ a billion Number23 May 2017 #70
+1 So you noticed that ? lunasun Jun 2017 #78
This right here JustAnotherGen May 2017 #51
He not only withstood those attacks, he withstood them with GRACE pnwmom May 2017 #53
Well said. I especially like: "Ain't no takesy backsey on that." brush May 2017 #58
OMG do they hate you, and even me for not hating you. Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #63
I'm pretty damned far left -- IndianaDave May 2017 #54
+1000. nt pnwmom May 2017 #55
YES! brush May 2017 #59
Trump is in the White House lapucelle May 2017 #56
The far left is also out of touch with other groups in the base Gothmog May 2017 #60
The far left and the far right are cut from the same cloth. They both hate any improvements to Number23 May 2017 #69
Boom! JustAnotherGen May 2017 #71
Ah the globalization canard, yes! I've been reading a Reddit group called NeoLiberals and it's bettyellen Jun 2017 #72
I want to be in a time in which *everyone* - regardless of race, gender, education, or anything else YoungDemCA Jun 2017 #73
I may have spoken a bit harshly but it is hard not to see the similarities between the two groups Number23 Jun 2017 #75
the truth of the matter is: heaven05 Jun 2017 #74
Dems are a bunch of different groups. The right is unified behind tax cuts for the rich. sharedvalues Jun 2017 #76
The attack's complaint that Obama was held to a Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #79

David__77

(23,879 posts)
1. Generalizations.
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:01 PM
May 2017

African American people are integral participants in leftist political organizations. This "far left" stuff sounds McCarthyite to me.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
9. Mc Carthyite? Well we are talking about people demonizing capitalism in ALL it's forms...
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:14 PM
May 2017

It's a fringe group. Some hope for total destruction of our government, so yeah.... fuck that.

David__77

(23,879 posts)
10. Which groups and people are these?
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:17 PM
May 2017

Groups that identify the US an a colonialist entity? The Communist Party USA, which endorsed Hillary Clinton for president? Just curious.

JI7

(90,844 posts)
11. ones who claim no difference if trump or hillary is president or that trump would be better
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:23 PM
May 2017

David__77

(23,879 posts)
14. I suppose there are some of those.
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:24 PM
May 2017

I doubt most Communists in the US fall into that category. I doubt most socialists in the US fall into that category. There are some groups that abstain from electoral politics for which this might apply.

emulatorloo

(45,591 posts)
21. The groups you mention aren't binary-thinking ideologues.
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:32 PM
May 2017

By the way pretty much everyone on DU is on the left.

I don't like the term "far left" because I don't think it is a good term to describe these ideologues.

Eliot Rosewater

(32,537 posts)
61. Exactly, because I can assure you I am far left, much further left than almost ANYONE here
Tue May 2, 2017, 11:36 AM
May 2017

and those who are referred to as "far left" are nothing like me.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
12. Idiots like Susan Sarandon, Glen Greenwald and fringe lefties - fake ones that
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:23 PM
May 2017

Worked for RT and Sputnik last year and pretended to like liberal policies but in reality actually have to go back 40-50 years to name a Dem president they like. Fake ass liberals who flooded FB and Twitter for the past two years with phony hyped up scandals fed to them by Julian Assange and the GOP. They don't have their own group because then they'd be obvious. They pretend to be supporters of x y and z to spread their poison. Now they want Dems to hate on Obama. Idiots.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
20. Did you miss the names of journalists and pundits for some reason?
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:31 PM
May 2017

Haven't heard a peep from Fonda in years- have YOU? Or are you just yanking my chain? Because none of what I referenced happened in Hollywood- and you already know that.

David__77

(23,879 posts)
23. I'm not familiar with Greenwald.
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:35 PM
May 2017

Honestly. And I mentioned Fonda because she is someone who certainly opposed capitalism. I don't know what her position was on the last election.

pnwmom

(109,630 posts)
24. Greenwald is a major figure for you not to be aware of. Interesting.
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:37 PM
May 2017

Does that mean you don't know who Edward Snowden is, either?

Or Jill Stein?

David__77

(23,879 posts)
30. I'm from the US.
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:57 PM
May 2017

I've been posting on this board since 2001. That said, not so much in recent years. Some areas are more of interest to me than others. I'm sure there are a lot of people in this country who have not heard of Glenn Greenwald.

pnwmom

(109,630 posts)
32. You didn't know about Greenwald and you seem vague about Snowden and Stein.
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:58 PM
May 2017

Posting here since 2001 doesn't mean much.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
35. I think a lot of people repeated the crap he wrote vaguely "knowing" it was being shared
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:15 PM
May 2017

By "lefties" when he was actually as anti Dem - and pro-Russia as you can get. And russia had, of course, nothing to do with red baiting or socialism.... although I'm not sure everyone knows that either.

David__77

(23,879 posts)
36. I think there's definitely an "anti-US" faction.
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:24 PM
May 2017

A group that opposes NATO and Israel and almost reflexively supports whatever the US says it's against. I don't necessarily equate that with leftism. Russia is headed by a quite conservative government.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
37. I think what we saw was a loose group of people - many who were nothing more than HRC haters....
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:29 PM
May 2017

look around for others to give them reasons or a focus for it that wasn't obviously coming from the GOP. But guess what- the bulk of it started with the GOP, and it looked palatable because it was Greenwald and Assange. Now we see the connections even clearer.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
65. After this, therefore because of this?
Tue May 2, 2017, 03:53 PM
May 2017

"Sounds like a Hollywood thing and not a broader political phenomenon..."

After this, therefore because of this? Sounds like a logical fallacy (post hoc ergo prompter hoc) and a broader or even valid point.

JustAnotherGen

(33,785 posts)
48. One individual
Tue May 2, 2017, 04:04 AM
May 2017

I've encountered at DU seems upset the Obamas got a $65 million dollar book advance on top of the $400K.

Instead of loving the big fuck you that is to the Trumpettes - upset Obama made a buck as a private citizen.

It's starting to look like jealousy.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
2. oh the ID politics spiel told us all we needed to know.
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:01 PM
May 2017

the absurd economic vs social false dichotomy also tells us all we need to know.

Sculpin Beauregard

(1,046 posts)
3. The far left are more similar to the far right than they are to the vast majority of Dems.
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:02 PM
May 2017

Extremism is extremism, no matter who's flying its flag.

They are not the majority.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
64. Except if you look at the polls of where Americans stand on the issues ....
Tue May 2, 2017, 12:38 PM
May 2017

The population supports the issues championed by the Left. Including Far Left. People want free tuition for state colleges. People want Medicare for All. People want clean water and air, and for action to be taken to combat extreme climate change. The overall population supports a $15 minimum wage. The same people often vote Republican because they are ignoramuses (ignorami?).

Bernie and Liz are waking people up!

Boxerfan

(2,533 posts)
4. MMMMMM-divisive issue for no real reason....
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:09 PM
May 2017

Other than to be divisive...

Live it up to your own examples or try to at least post your own thoughts-not cut & paste for your amusement when an argument occurs.

pnwmom

(109,630 posts)
8. Attacking Obama for something all the modern Presidents have done is certainly divisive. n/t
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:11 PM
May 2017
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
66. That's quite the creative and unsupported allegation.
Tue May 2, 2017, 03:55 PM
May 2017

"for no real reason Other than to be divisive... "

That's quite the creative and unsupported allegation. You'll of course, provide us with support for your little accusation, yes?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
5. And they love worship $FDR$ without a smidge of thought.
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:10 PM
May 2017

Some people deserve their money, it seems.

pnwmom

(109,630 posts)
13. He inherited his fortune so of course that's more deserving than someone who has to work for it.
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:23 PM
May 2017
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
18. I've started to think that hard work means nothing to some people....
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:29 PM
May 2017

All the demonization of people and organizations that have been fighting for us for decades... it's easy for some. Give me people with experience and a real work history, not some fly by night person who is "suddenly inspired" to primary someone or flips parties and wants to advise them (some ex GOP pundit on Twitter- trashing BO of course). I'm done with this outsiders are better crap. Half of them were half baked opportunists. Fuck that. I want people with bonafides to lead.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
46. Yes! When I hear people float names like Zuckerberg or Cuban for fucks sake...
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:55 PM
May 2017

I'm deeply disturbed by people perpetuating this "they're all the same/ corrupt" crap. That's what got us where we are.

delisen

(6,564 posts)
77. So true. Inherited wealth is often worshipped on the far left
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:23 PM
Jun 2017

film/rock star wealth is acceptable but wealth building by others is is treated like an unfair windfall.

Not all money is equal.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
33. FDR in many ways WAS an extremist - because extreme measures were required in 1933.
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:06 PM
May 2017

FDR selected a Socialist as his vice president. He wanted to keep Henry Wallace on the ticket in 1944, but was too weak to fight the capitalists who knew FDR was dying and maneuvered a naive Harry Truman into position. Truman became president and used nuclear weapons. FDR never would have. Truman created the FBI. FDR never would have. The military-industrial complex thereafter guided Harry straight into the Cold War. Nobody in the modern era can be as bold as FDR until there's no longer a ruling military-industrial complex.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
67. That's a great example of the fractious thinking I simply cannot wrap my brain around.
Tue May 2, 2017, 03:58 PM
May 2017

That's a great example of the fractious thinking I simply cannot wrap my brain around.

The criticisms of Obama's speech and his recompense seem to be nothing more than holding two different standards to the same like action, the critical difference being.... male? Nope. President? Nope. Democrat? Nope.

Hmmm.... what could that critical difference be, I do wonder.

JI7

(90,844 posts)
6. yup. another example is michael moore
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:11 PM
May 2017

Did he put a limit to how much he would profit ?

pnwmom

(109,630 posts)
15. A few years ago in his divorce proceeding his wealth came out -- more than $50 million then.
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:27 PM
May 2017

It would probably be even more now, if he hadn't had to fork some over to the ex.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
27. I'm a leftie, and confused over the criticism of Obama being well-paid for speeches.
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:52 PM
May 2017

Who gives a better speech than Barack Obama? I mean, in the whole world! These big-orgs pay that kind of money for celebrities and politicians to speak at their seminars and conferences in order to attract the cashbags to their conferences, seminars, etc. Obama has earned the right to charge whatever amount he chooses for people to hear his wise words - and be in the same room with him - and maybe shake his hand.

I don't have a clue about the criticism. It's totally out of line.

pnwmom

(109,630 posts)
31. Exactly. In a world where Hilary Duff can command $500 K for a speech,
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:57 PM
May 2017

this furor over Obama's $400k is nuts.

mdbl

(5,499 posts)
52. thanks, I was beginning to worry about what a leftie is
Tue May 2, 2017, 04:46 AM
May 2017

the post said "far left". Who is the far left? People who like clean air and water? People who don't like being sold out? I don't care how much money Obama makes as long as he doesn't use it to hurt others. Easy enough?

RandySF

(71,121 posts)
38. Bernie is the only figure on the left I've seen criticize Obama for this.
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:29 PM
May 2017

The rest have been on the right and their apologists in the beltway press.

Eliot Rosewater

(32,537 posts)
62. MAkes sense given I believe Bernie has an agenda that if known would shock the hell
Tue May 2, 2017, 11:40 AM
May 2017

out of most here.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
42. I see no reason to criticise Obama
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:46 PM
May 2017

He is not running for office, either officially or unofficially. He is making his speech in public where all can see what he says, not at some private soiree with nary a transcript on sight. When he sits down after speaking every American will know that he stood for them AND HOW.

He is, DOING DEMOCRAT RIGHT.

The greatest of all time.

kimbutgar

(23,580 posts)
43. Another divide and conquer post
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:47 PM
May 2017

Really, we need to be united during these times? As a black person I see the threat chump is posing and the increased racism. Really??? Do we need this now?

JustAnotherGen

(33,785 posts)
49. Yep and I it's not divide and conquer
Tue May 2, 2017, 04:07 AM
May 2017

How does this article divide?

All of the pleas to go get Trump voters.

Can we not have any articles, ideas, thoughts that might speak to some black Americans?

JI7

(90,844 posts)
47. So Trump Voters who voted for an openly racist , bigoted piece of shit are not Racists
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:44 PM
May 2017

but obama getting paid for a speech IS giving in to wallstreet even though he didn't as president and he will not run in the future ?


the contrast is amazing in how they excuse certain people for certain things and accuse certain people for certain things even though they excuse the one with evidence and accuse hte one without.

JustAnotherGen

(33,785 posts)
50. Yep
Tue May 2, 2017, 04:08 AM
May 2017

That's it in a nutshell.

To me - Trump voters should be manipulated - not embraced.

JustAnotherGen

(33,785 posts)
51. This right here
Tue May 2, 2017, 04:17 AM
May 2017


In late 2016, nearly 9 out of 10 Black voters approved of President Obama. To many Black voters, he is the symbol of success for Black America. You might not agree with everything he has done, and I certainly haven’t agreed with everything, but you have to respect him for what he means to Black Americans — making it to the height of American politics and withstanding eight years of racist attacks. Sanders and his movement see Obama as symbolic of evil neoliberal corporate interests. Therein lies the disconnect. The far right holds disdain for Obama for some of the same reasons that the far left does: They see him as beholden to special interests instead of “those of the people.”



I can't wrap my head around their inability to see this.

There have been 43 white guys they can be angry about - don't attack the black guy. You will alienate us.

And - Trump voters hate us. They do.

Ain't no takesy backsey on that.

So they can go beg and plead them to get smart about their checking accounts all they want.

Just don't think they can come here and ask me to do it. Why should I? I've always dismissed bigots.

I'm not changing for them. Fuck That Shit.

pnwmom

(109,630 posts)
53. He not only withstood those attacks, he withstood them with GRACE
Tue May 2, 2017, 04:51 AM
May 2017

and he got stuff DONE.

People forget so quickly how dire things were when Obama took office -- we were staring into the jaws of another Depression. And we were still stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama extricated us from the financial crisis and the wars, and still managed to get a major health care bill passed, the Lily Ledbetter bill, and others.

He didn't just withstand attacks. History will remember him as one of the great Presidents. That's why the Rethugs hate him. He was so effective.

IndianaDave

(631 posts)
54. I'm pretty damned far left --
Tue May 2, 2017, 04:53 AM
May 2017

and I'm baffled why anyone would care if President Obama makes some money in a perfectly legitimate way. He served our country with immense competence, enormous grace and profound dignity. As an older White guy, I wish him every success. He deserves every dollar he can earn, and he absolutely has every right to pursue the American dream for his future and the benefit of his family. He is no corporate shill. He is a true scholar and one of the very best Presidents our country has ever had. Give him the respect and honor that he deserves. Let's get beyond the idiotic negativity.

lapucelle

(19,565 posts)
56. Trump is in the White House
Tue May 2, 2017, 05:13 AM
May 2017

because of double standards and "troubling optics".

We need to call this out , and shut this down.

Gothmog

(155,434 posts)
60. The far left is also out of touch with other groups in the base
Tue May 2, 2017, 08:48 AM
May 2017

Jewish voters are also not comfortable with some of the positions of the far left. Clinton won the Jewish voter by a good margin

Number23

(24,544 posts)
69. The far left and the far right are cut from the same cloth. They both hate any improvements to
Wed May 24, 2017, 09:44 PM
May 2017

any group of which they are not members. They perceive that they have lost too many privileges in the effort to improve the lives of many others, many of whom so happen to have melanin. White conservatives love to scream about welfare and affirmative action for exactly the same reason that white "lefties" love to scream about globalization.

Too many on both sides want us all to go back to the time when white men could have a fifth grade education but still have a home, a car and food on the table every night, most likely because people far smarter and more qualified than them were automatically shut out of opportunities just for being the wrong color or gender or at the expense of people who had the misfortune of being born not only the wrong color, but in the wrong country.

JustAnotherGen

(33,785 posts)
71. Boom!
Thu May 25, 2017, 06:09 AM
May 2017

There it is!

While the rest of us were told we would have to work twice as hard to get 1/2 as far - the expectations of those groups remained the same.

Now they can't find their cheese and are pissed off about it.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
72. Ah the globalization canard, yes! I've been reading a Reddit group called NeoLiberals and it's
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 01:29 AM
Jun 2017

Hilarious. They fundraise for the global poor and talk smack about the dumbing down of the electorate and how it's effected both extremes w their magical policy promises. They cycle through periods where they shit post goofy stuff and try to raise awareness and expand, then they get down to it and host thoughtful discussions about policy, and their numbers shrink a bit. Then they repeat the cycle. I think that's labeled on their preferred model of economic growth but I'm just learning. It's funny to just slap the label on myself. Fuck it.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
73. I want to be in a time in which *everyone* - regardless of race, gender, education, or anything else
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 01:43 PM
Jun 2017

can have a home and food on the table every night, and don't have to live in fear or want, at the very least.

I don't think the far left and the far right are equivalent (the latter have a lot more power, for one thing). Though I do agree with you that there's too often overlap.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
75. I may have spoken a bit harshly but it is hard not to see the similarities between the two groups
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:01 PM
Jun 2017

I do believe that the far left is a lot less odious than the far right and are much more concerned with others than those on the right, but I'd be lying through my teeth that when I hear the endless carping about moderates and the "let everything burn so that we can start all over again" crap from the lefties, that I think it's easier for them to say that as they have not been shut out of the political and economic systems for 200+ years.

To me, when they start making that asinine, dangerous argument, it's clear that their capacity for concern is not that much greater than their counterparts on the right.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
74. the truth of the matter is:
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 09:16 AM
Jun 2017

President Obama was held to a stricter standard of judgement than any POTUS ever and definitely stricter than even this POS called king dung we have today, as a potus....it was seen in king dungs acceptance by the MSM and 60 million white supremacists/racists as 'savior' of white ameriKKKa vs "where's your birth certificate n*****".....

One hill to climb for the Caucasian male, usually...two hills to climb and more usually for the AA to reach the same goal and in ameriKKKa, it has been this way ALWAYS .....go President Obama!!!! Best POTUS we've had since forever.....
betcha he doesn't give a fuck what his naysayers are spouting from their obsessively racist minds through their shit filled pieholes and lives.......

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
76. Dems are a bunch of different groups. The right is unified behind tax cuts for the rich.
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 10:07 PM
Jun 2017

Democrats are in touch with black voters. (and realistically so is Bernie. Bernie's economic issues are key issues for african americans).

Voltaire2

(14,861 posts)
79. The attack's complaint that Obama was held to a
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 04:37 AM
Jun 2017

different standard is patent bullshit.

If you will recall Sanders made the same criticism of Clinton. Yes she was not an ex president but that is not really relevant.

The unseemlyness of huge speaking fees from dubious sources and criticism of it goes back at least as far as Reagan, and I'm pretty sure he was not african American.

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