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JustAnotherGen

(33,785 posts)
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 08:01 AM Jul 2017

Black Women, Equal Pay & The divide with white rural America

This is from June 2016:
http://www.theroot.com/black-women-now-the-most-educated-group-in-us-1790855540

A new report confirms that black women are now the most educated group in the United States. But we still have a long way to go for pay equity.

According to the National Center for Education Statistics, between 2009 and 2010, black women earned 68 percent of all associate degrees awarded to black students, as well as 66 percent of bachelor’s degrees, 71 percent of master’s degrees and 65 percent of all doctorates awarded to black students.

The report also says that the percentage of U.S. college students who are black increased from 10 to 15 percent from 1976 to 2012, while the percentage of white students among all U.S. college students fell from 84 to 60 percent.

By both race and gender, a higher percentage of black women (9.7 percent) are enrolled in college than any other group, topping Asian women (8.7 percent), white women (7.1 percent) and white men (6.1 percent).


If you Google search the words of the subject - it seems only the The Daily Caller disagreed last year.

Now check this Politico Editorial posted by Skidmore today:
Skidmores post
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029360663

My Fellow Plutocrats you can cure Trumpism:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/18/to-my-fellow-plutocrats-you-can-cure-trumpism-215347

In my circles, few seem to want to confront the reality that our political environment won’t improve until the actual economic circumstances of our fellow Americans improve. We rich folks crave the variety and stimulation of progressive blue cities, yet we’re often not willing to fight for basic progressive policies like higher wages and the right to organize. We pound the table, ranting about diversity and inclusion without recognizing that the 43.7 percent of Americans earning less than $15 an hour, mostly white and rural, simply cannot afford to be included in our pricey, progressive, pluralistic enclaves. We smugly #resist when an airline beats a passenger bloody, but we do so from the safety and comfort of our own private planes, literally looking down on the shuttered factories and struggling small towns of middle America as we luxuriously jet from coast to coast.


Time and again in online circles we debate diversity/equality vs financial equality. I don't see this happening in my IRL activism groups - just in these no so great debates in the virtual world.

With the laser sharp focus in some branches of the Center to Left we keep hearing/reading about that 43.7%.

Can we ask the question - What's in it for black women who still earn far less than her educated white male peers to raise more white male boats?

Is anyone in those "lost areas" of America at DU in real life having this discussion at the precinct or state Assembly level?

Part of why I move onto the next post when I see the pleas for economic equality above all else and the $15 minimum wage for all is that I don't see the job loss and lack of a living wage in my area and in my circles.

I do know black female MBA holders who know they are making considerably less than their white male and female counterparts in spite of tough salary negotiations. At an assembly 2017 NJ meeting yesterday morning it became clear that candidates tapping into Phil Murphy's paycheck fairness to women are gaining ground this year.

The former Goldman Sachs millionaire that worked for Obama is killing it among black women in NJ at all socio-economic levels.

I truly believe that any discussion about "we and 50 state strategy" must take into account local concerns. And before any accusations of "so you got yours and to hell with them" . . .

Go back to the first link. If a highly educated black woman in NJ making $20 an hour (with student loans) has to compete with a worker in Michigan who gets free training to work for $15 an hour - who wins and who loses? The manufacturing jobs are not coming back.

I would caution - the message cannot be national but the conduit to delivering it (campaign funds) can be. The message to a young A/P analyst with a Masters from Rutgers must not be the same as the one to a 40 something white male in the Rust Belt.

We will fail in 2018 if we attempt it.
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Black Women, Equal Pay & The divide with white rural America (Original Post) JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 OP
You packed a punch in your post... A lot to mull over JHan Jul 2017 #1
No - it won't JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #5
Stunning Me. Jul 2017 #2
The thing is JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #6
Not Sure I Understand Your Reasoning Me. Jul 2017 #8
J and A JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #9
But Wouldn't Wisc. Activista Be Responsible For The Voters There? Me. Jul 2017 #10
These two guys work for me JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #12
If This Is Just A Matter Of Standing By Those Who Stand By You Me. Jul 2017 #13
What's in it for *anyone* poor or working class (not just white men) to raise more MBA boats? YoungDemCA Jul 2017 #3
Ask them JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #4
What's in it for us for leaving an economic sector rampant with racism & sexual harassment? Starry Messenger Jul 2017 #11
K&R to infinity ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #7
I just watched Schumer and ... your points resonated even more strongly as I listened to him. JHan Jul 2017 #14

JHan

(10,173 posts)
1. You packed a punch in your post... A lot to mull over
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 08:39 AM
Jul 2017

You're right, a one size fits all strategy won't work.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
2. Stunning
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 08:44 AM
Jul 2017

‘According to the National Center for Education Statistics, between 2009 and 2010, black women earned 68 percent of all associate degrees awarded to black students, as well as 66 percent of bachelor’s degrees, 71 percent of master’s degrees and 65 percent of all doctorates awarded to black students.’

And the question of the day/month/year/election cycle.....

“Can we ask the question - What's in it for black women who still earn far less than her educated white male peers to raise more white male boats?”

JustAnotherGen

(33,785 posts)
6. The thing is
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 11:00 AM
Jul 2017

There is nothing in it for us. I would rather secure the finances of two recently hired young, white male MBAS who have tremendous student loans. They despise Trump - and would take me over a maga in TN any day of the week.

We need to give them space to reach their peers - in NJs 7th and 6th district.

JustAnotherGen

(33,785 posts)
9. J and A
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 12:41 PM
Jul 2017

Are with us. I don't have to "reach" them.

And - they are both signed up to canvass in South Jersey for Murphy this year.

They don't fear the "other" - they view us as one.

Do their peers hoping to be machinists in Wisconsin see me the same? I don't think so.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
10. But Wouldn't Wisc. Activista Be Responsible For The Voters There?
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 12:48 PM
Jul 2017

I bet they even consider NJ in regards to any decisions they make. Not trying to be willfully dense but don't understand why young men with debts would be more important than anyone else. Many have debts and I don't see why one is more important than the other.

JustAnotherGen

(33,785 posts)
12. These two guys work for me
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 02:13 PM
Jul 2017

I see two guys who give a damn, work hard, worked hard, have their own problems - yet are willing to engage in voting drives in Camden.

Camden NJ is extremely brown. Extremely impoverished. In their back yard.

My point - they - two young liberals - white males -

Are gung ho without prodding to help blacks and Latinos vote in one of the most forgotten places in their state. They value those human beings.

Understand now? We don't have to prod them. They are just asking that when it comes to student loan relief I have their back. They aren't asking for very much. True allies stand up for each other.

I don't believe those Trump voters would EVER volunteer to GOTV, registration drives in Camden or Newark.

They won't. Too busy being prejudice.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
13. If This Is Just A Matter Of Standing By Those Who Stand By You
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 04:25 PM
Jul 2017

Of course. What I misunderstood was that I thought you were placing their interests above yours. Thanks for the clarification.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
3. What's in it for *anyone* poor or working class (not just white men) to raise more MBA boats?
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 10:18 AM
Jul 2017

JustAnotherGen

(33,785 posts)
4. Ask them
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 10:33 AM
Jul 2017

I'm not representative of them - and I can't reach them.

They've been fed a line of bullshit that women like me "took something" from them since I was a junior in college over 20 years ago.

I didn't - I earned it. Often by putting myself as the only woman - black at that - in educated white male places.

What YOU could do is volunteer next summer in OH or MI and work on that messaging as that is who you are most concerned with.

Where I live - in the 6th wealthiest county in America - the white men that voted for Trump are just racists in Porsches with MAGA bumper stickers. They are my enemy. I don't want be "friends" in the 7th with them.

I can focus on the minorities, women and hipsters in my district next year.

I need you to go help Ryan's challenger to flip that seat.

Starry Messenger

(32,375 posts)
11. What's in it for us for leaving an economic sector rampant with racism & sexual harassment?
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 01:00 PM
Jul 2017

This sounds like purists who were mad that gays wanted to serve in the armed forces, because of "imperialism."

JHan

(10,173 posts)
14. I just watched Schumer and ... your points resonated even more strongly as I listened to him.
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 05:29 PM
Jul 2017
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