You seem to be saying that those who do not comment in some threads here are this "they" and the act of not commenting in threads here is the dehumanizing action. Is that what you are saying?

That a large percentage of white Americans if asked to picture humans will not include people who aren't white.

That the visceral reactions they have when faced with identical situations vary quite a bit depending on how much the attacked party looks like them.

I am saying that black people especially are not immediately recognized as human by many many white people.

Is that clear?

I am not saying that if you aren't strident enough on the proper threads that you are racist. That is silly

..... Regarding your statement:

. "I am saying that I believe
That a large percentage of white Americans if asked to picture humans will not include people who aren't white."

Just curious as to what you believe would be the answer if a large percentage of black Americans were asked to picture humans, and whatever you believe, what would that say about them?

All I am saying is I think there may be a strong case for the argument that the "picture" could be one of familiarity as well as a sense of superiority. How do you decide where a person fits without any other evidence to strengthen that decision?

When are nonwhite folks allowed to forget the humanity of white people?

Shit cousin. There are more white folks on BET than blacks on NBC.

i believe that only white folks have the luxury to assume that other peoples lives are somehow similar to their own... That our experiance of life is the standard.

And worrying about nonwhites having a sense of superiority in America is laughable at best and suspicious in my eyes.

Just curious as to what you believe would be the answer if a large percentage of black Americans were asked to picture humans, and whatever you believe, what would that say about them?

Answering the question by not answering the question is not answering the question.

Actually the only thing that made sense in your answer was the inference you made in the last sentence. That's okay. Go ahead if it makes you feel better. I ain't mad.

"And worrying about nonwhites having a sense of superiority in America is laughable at best and suspicious in my eyes."

If the last four words of your statement did not infer what I thought it inferred then I apologize. I'll let everyone else who is reading this come to their own conclusion.

I am not trying to bait you, but since you refuse to answer my simple question, I'll be satisfied with just dropping it. Later.... cousin.

So - Tell me how your questions do not amount to this:
You said an unflattering thing about white people, allow me to twist it so you have to admit that brown people are worse.

like a hijack of a perfectly clear OP....what are you trying to prove? How many racist wypipo are there in ameriKKKa now. How deep does white supremacy flow in this river of hateful human beings? Hell, I pictured white when I grew up in the 50's-60's. When someone asked me then to picture some other person and draw them, school lesson, it wasn't Farina, it was Spanky. Not Amos or Andy. I had the Lone Ranger, Sky King, Pancho and Cisco, et al:.

WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR AS AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUERY?

..... is arguing a perfectly valid point, but using speculative, and unscientific methods to do so. I did not hijack anything. I simply asked a question which the op did not seem to have an answer for. One thing I have learned is that like matters of the heart, subjects that are ruled by emotion have no room for logic. I'll leave it at that.

"using speculative, and unscientific methods to do so..."

I'm looking for the peer-reviewed and objective sources in your own arguments as well... and they appear not to exist. At all. In any form.

I get it... holding others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves to is both convenient and human nature. I'll leave it at that, part II.

.... for this group, and for JustAnotherGen, I will no longer reply to any posts concerning my original comment. If you feel the need to engage any further, feel free to PM me anytime. I will reply. Thank you.
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you asked:
Just curious as to what you believe would be the answer if a large percentage of black Americans were asked to picture humans, and whatever you believe, what would that say about them?

Not Black.

Can't speak for them and I don't assume that I have some magic connection to their minds.

I am white and have dozens of white friends family and associates - So i can summarize the positions they keep trying to explain to me...

.... but I don't presume to know what they are thinking unless they tell me. I have no magic connection to their minds.
You presume to speak for a large number of people, most of whom you do not know. That is totally different than speaking for people you know and are familiar with who may have voiced their opinions to you.

All I am saying is I think there may be a strong case for the argument that the "picture" could be one of familiarity as well as a sense of superiority. How do you decide where a person fits without any other evidence to strengthen that decision?

So the folks with no power relative to the justice department, zoning commission, banks and licensing boards - those guys' picture of humanity somehow affects the lives of white folks?

We need to hold them to a standard that you are flat out refusing to accept for white folks?


NAH. Disagree

.... the most successful white person in the world, and not be a racist. The standard I hold for anyone is pretty much aligned with what Martin Luther King said. You know, something about the content of one's character and not the color of their skin.

My argument is purely logic-based, and I can tell that logic is not going to be a two-sided factor in this.

If the last four words of your statement did not infer what I thought it inferred then I apologize. I'll let everyone else who is reading this come to their own conclusion.

I have no idea what you've inferred from what I implied

Name one thing in context that could be implied from those four words besides the one that I believe was implied. I'll wait.

You asked what I believed Black people envision when they think of humans and how their thoughts contrast with my OP's position that POC are not immediately included when many White people think of humans.

I said that I don't know but I doubted that it would be as restricted as what I believe white people think.

I said that most POC don't have the option to deny consciously or unconsciously the humanity of others. Mainly because very few can control the spaces they live in to the extent that we (WHITE FOLK) can. As an example I point out that main steam entertainment TV has fewer POC actors than Black Entertainment Television has white characters. With this satatement I am implying that the inclusion of non-POC people in a black focused program is a matter of course. Just a detail and not remarkable to the writers actors or audience.

On the other hand it is in no way remarkable to the writers actors or audience that shows on ABC CBS and NBC routinely have completely white casts and the plotlines focus on white people problems.

That was the implication I was making. That is what I implied. Again I have no idea what you inferred because I don't understand your follow up posts.

Then you argle bargle at me for a while saying I never answered your dumbass attempt to play false equivalence bingo...

And now I don't even understand WTF this post is saying.

"And now I don't even understand WTF this post is saying."
I can't say I disagree with you. Look, I did not mean to cause such consternation in the beginning, and it seems I have extended this far beyond my original intent. I won't take up any more of your time.

I didn't even know I was in this group until the last few posts. Not very observant on my part. I do have opinions that may vary from the norm, but I will make sure that I confine them to General DIscussion. My apologies for any perceived transgressions.

"was the inference you made in the last sentence..."

'Implication', if anything. Your usage of 'inference' is inaccurate. Speaker/writer implies, listener/reader infers.

I'll refrain from adding the irrelevant petulance of "ignore it if it makes you feel better. I ain't mad..."

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Today I was appalled at the humanization of a woman (Melania) who deliberately and maliciously attacked President Obama.

Just because Michelle and Barack are polite and gracious (because it's WHO they are) to her face - doesn't mean they LIKE her.

Seriously.

Yet -they always had excuses or 'turn the other cheek' bullshit when our ENEMIES attacked first lady Obama as a monkey or an animal.


They always have excuses.


You know, I'm not even frustrated. But I hope they are beginning to realize why I like thinks like 'tax revenge'. It hurts people that think like them, and that's the truth.

"we better be nice to WWC Dotard voters or they'll never vote with us," while ignoring the party's base - AA women.

Is what I call how you were treated in that thread.

They bring out MLK every time they think we are treating racist white people inappropriately, as if they deserve our respect.

Coddling racists gets people killed, plain and simple.

I also saw how both Kwassa and Effie were treated - shameful behavior.

so true.

I want to say that there is another aspect to dehumanization often overlooked and we see it it with these attitudes, and that is "superhumanization". Common examples are Asians are good at math, black people are natural athletes, violent white people are mentally ill but you never see it brought up with violent Muslims for some reason, and more.

And I see it here with progressives and the groups that honestly want to work with them, GLBTQ, the poor, minority religions, and yes, ethnic groups.

I see it with the call to take the high road, that these groups can put their immediate needs aside, to not participate in "identity politics", etc.

My fellow progressives have constructed this bar I guess to make themselves feel good, like hey, we're not winning elections but at least we're not stooping down. "We're sleeping well at night" I can't speak to the experience of a black person or a gay person, but i have my own issues... personal and loving relationships with marginalized groups and a nephew with a rare disease. The whole "We may not have a place at the table but at least we took the high road" has no meaning to me as I imagine it also has no meaning for all the marginalized Democrats out there.

We're calling on everyone to "be better" but you know what? We're all human, we can crack jokes, we should be vulgar not all the time and not to an extreme but it shouldn't be a cardinal sin, there needs to be a place where the "stiff upper lip" that the marginalized have to keep apparently in response to dehumanization can be dropped, and more.

We need to rehumanize the groups the far right wants to dehumanize and sometimes that means being just like everyone else.

That seems to be a sticking point.

About the smart Asian stereotype. His face was so distressed. He was really hurt by my words. I apologized, I don't know if he accepted it and I deserve it if he didn't. I still think about what I did from time to time. He probably is still hearing the same bullshit (we were shipmates) but I'm glad he said something to me.

Thanks for this poignant post.

'checked' me on my love of Breakfast At Tiffanys.


I'm an Audrey Hepburn fan until the day I die - but I will never watch that movie again. Eric was right - I don't care if the man who played the Asian character regretted it or not -

It's just wrong, wrong, wrong.

Folks like that have always been problematic, especially on DU from time to time.

And then a funny thing happens: The find themselves removed, by voluntary means or not, and they end up in other locations on the net where they believe that they're "free to speak their minds." Which usually ends up being some seriously racist shit.

Some of these same folks have been instrumental in removing some of the strongest voices for equality here, many of these people who are POCs themselves, who have recognized and confronted these same "free minders."

In the end, we find ourselves weaker and less capable of being a voice for equality. The fact that DU has fewer POC voices is no accident.

It's an old story.

So yeah, I'm quite suspicious of people who are one sided in their castigation of "harsh" language. Whenever they come after me, I welcome it.

hurt "working mom" Sarah Huckabee's state of mind with her comments about eyeliner.

"My god, people! This is why we're alienating the Trump voters! You are NOT HELPING!!!!! Michelle Obama and MLK would be HORRIFIED at the violence that the lady comedian committed with her mean words!"

all about implicit bias.

is schizophrenic. Proof: From President Barack Obama and a truly beautiful First Family to the present potus and his family. Dehumanization started with pre-slavery hate of POC, 'Before the Mayflower', Lerone Bennett, 'Destruction of Black Civilization', Chancellor Williams.

As far as my personal experience in life goes, you are correct. A black person being killed by a racist cop or offended by a racist spewing hatred from their toxic minds are shrugged away with, well he had or probably has a police record or he should not have been selling those cigarettes on the street. That child should not have been playing with that type toy, that child was shot within 2 seconds of chickenshit police arriving, that black man in Walmart should not have been buying that toy gun for a relative, shot within 5 seconds of the arrival of chickenshit cops. The woman who was hung in her cell should have fallen to her knees and kissed that cops ass that eventually caused her to be hung in her cell.

Always a way is found to blame the UNARMED black victim for not recognizing the superiority or authority of a particular race. That kid in Florida should have stopped when that wannabe cop told him he was in the wrong neighbourhood, the kid lived there and on and on. I read excuse after excuse after these murder/executions of AA.

Your antagonist in this thread seems to be a master of diversion/distraction. It is a common ploy here of the people you are addressing in this OP who consistently try to hijack a thread with bullshit.

Hey, we're tough and you are a survivor. The fight continues

That I can't say much impressed me.

wrote a response over my 1st coffee, hope you like it.

inescapable. Some people just don't get it. We can see what they deny or refuse to see in themselves, I guess.