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Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 12:02 PM Nov 2018

The Africans who fought in WWI and WWII

When the major powers of Europe went to war in 1914, so too did half the globe. France and Britain controlled the world’s two largest colonial empires and were quick to draw upon their resources – and their people.

More than four million non-European, non-white soldiers and auxiliaries would serve in WW1. Over a quarter of these soldiers would end up in the battlefields of northern France and Belgium, braving a new type of industrial warfare for which they were often ill-equipped and inadequately trained. They would prove vital in holding the front lines. But the fascinating story of what played out behind the trenches is rarely told. For four years, the tented cities of the Western Front would be the setting for a world in miniature. Against the backdrop of war, soldiers also navigated the cultural battlegrounds and the no-man’s land of race relations at the dawn of the 20th Century.


Pretty thorough report and fantastic photos of all the fighting men from the colonies here http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/z2bgr82







WWII
How many now recall the role of more than one million African troops? Yet they fought in the deserts of North Africa, the jungles of Burma and over the skies of Germany. A shrinking band of veterans, many now living in poverty, bitterly resent being written out of history. For Africa, World War II began not in 1939, but in 1935.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8344170.stm


Jagama Kello, middle, left home at just 15 to fight Italian invaders


John Henry Smythe, left, read Hitler's Mein Kampf before joining the RAF



2010
For most of the 20th century, France recruited, usually forcibly, men from its colonies in Africa fight its battles around the world. From the first world war in 1914 to the Indochina wars and Algeria’s fight for independence in the 1950s and 1960s, hundreds of thousands of Africans soldiers fought under the French flag. They were called tirailleurs, or “sharpshooters,” a name to mock their limited training. Decades later, 28 of these former soldiers were recognized in a ceremony on April 15 where they were given French citizenship. Many of them were from Senegal, a country that sent more than a third of all of its military- age men to France to fight during World War I.

A group of West African soldiers stationed at camp in Thiaroye, Senegal, mutinied in 1944, demanding equal pay and the same treatment as their French counterparts. French soldiers fired on them, killing up to 400 men. Their mass grave still hasn’t been found.

Over the past few decades, activists have gained some ground. The 2006 French film "Indigènes," about a group of North African soldiers in France during World War II, dramatized the contributions of colonial soldiers in France’s liberation. More than half of French forces in Italy and France between 1943 and 1944 came from African colonies, and at least 40,000 died.
https://qz.com/africa/960851/france-gives-citizenship-and-full-pensions-to-african-soldiers-who-fought-its-20-century-wars/



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The Africans who fought in WWI and WWII (Original Post) Kind of Blue Nov 2018 OP
More hidden history nocoincidences Nov 2018 #1
For sure, nocincidences, slowly but surely :) Kind of Blue Nov 2018 #2
These are not the images that come to mind brer cat Nov 2018 #3
You're very welcome, brer cat. Kind of Blue Nov 2018 #5
Thanks for posting! bobbieinok Nov 2018 #4
Wow! that line never gets old to whip up hysteria. Kind of Blue Nov 2018 #6
This is amazing, Blue. spicysista Nov 2018 #7
Hey, spiceysista! Thank you for letting me know about Kind of Blue Nov 2018 #8
Thank you for sharing this, Kind of Blue. nt littlemissmartypants Nov 2018 #9
You're welcome, littlemissmartypants! Kind of Blue Nov 2018 #10
You're welcome! littlemissmartypants Nov 2018 #12
Oh, wow! Kind of Blue Nov 2018 #13
Kick for Eyeballs, The Polack MSgt Nov 2018 #11
Yeah! That's the best part to me, The Polack MSgt. Kind of Blue Nov 2018 #14
That's my reaction too. qwlauren35 Nov 2018 #15

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
2. For sure, nocincidences, slowly but surely :)
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 12:34 PM
Nov 2018

My dad told of my granduncle of WWI who came back insane, we now know as shell-shock for which there was no treatment. Another uncle just a few years older than my dad was conscripted and came back insane, as well. War is so fucking ugly.

brer cat

(26,479 posts)
3. These are not the images that come to mind
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 12:47 PM
Nov 2018

when I think about WWI and WWII. It is shameful how little real history we are taught. Whites writing history is just another excuse for propaganda.

Thanks for the thread, Kind of Blue.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
4. Thanks for posting!
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 12:50 PM
Nov 2018

I read somewhere that Hitler used the fact that the French had black soldiers holding the Rhine area after the war to further rile up the Germans--'blacks are coming for German women!'

spicysista

(1,731 posts)
7. This is amazing, Blue.
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 01:05 PM
Nov 2018

Thanks for this beautiful post. This topic has long been near and dear to the hubby's heart. These stories need to be told. Again, thank you.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
8. Hey, spiceysista! Thank you for letting me know about
Sun Nov 11, 2018, 04:03 PM
Nov 2018

your hubby's interest. It is a lesser known story of war that's nagged me, too, every Veteran's Day since, when a kid, my dad told me of his uncles who fought in both wars.

I was surprised to see a helluva lot is written about it in recent years especially on African web sites and other sites about the devastating affects of the wars in their countries. One in particular, an historian in Tanzania said that East Africans don't talk about it much because the country was under German control. He used a term in the language, ubhuche, creative adaptation, hiding the truth because it was risky being considered a German sympathizer under now British rule. And Germans even blamed them for losing WWI. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33329661

I just know the work of these historians and oral history are uncovering the truth. There's a play in England about the role of commonwealth soldiers. I saw a Canadian site remembering everyone and, of course, Africans are telling it. And that gift to us will move on!

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
10. You're welcome, littlemissmartypants!
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 10:00 AM
Nov 2018

I love your name and thanks a lot for taking the time to read it.

littlemissmartypants

(25,842 posts)
12. You're welcome!
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 03:52 PM
Nov 2018

It's a nickname my mom gave to me. At first I didn't like it but when she told me the story of her getting a full college scholarship and yet her dad, my grandfather, wouldn't let or support her going to college. I had to claim it. I went on to become the first person in my family to go to college, supporting myself, and earning multiple degrees so she could be proud of her little miss smarty pants. I'm not really that smart but I do owe the smarts I have to her.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
13. Oh, wow!
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 04:48 PM
Nov 2018

I think I've lost count of stories of our mothers' generation, naturally brilliant women who were flat out denied further education. My mom's dad stopped her in 8th grade saying "That's enough." It wasn't until we immigrated here that she got her GED in what seemed like a month, went on to nursing, then went thru a round of testing to find she had a knack for math - never needed to calculate anything. She said when it came to numbers answers just popped into her brain.

Thank you, littlemissmartypants, for relishing that you mom's lost was not in vain because of you. Yours is one BFD

The Polack MSgt

(13,451 posts)
11. Kick for Eyeballs,
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 10:59 AM
Nov 2018

This was a fascinating read - I like to think I know history pretty well and I had never heard of these WWI soldiers and knew next to nothing about the WWII units

Thanks for the link

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
14. Yeah! That's the best part to me, The Polack MSgt.
Mon Nov 12, 2018, 04:52 PM
Nov 2018

It's like the more you know the less you know and ALWAYS finding treasure in a treasure hunt , so satisfying

qwlauren35

(6,279 posts)
15. That's my reaction too.
Sat Nov 17, 2018, 04:58 PM
Nov 2018

It makes sense, but didn't occur to me. They called it a World War for a reason. Africa played a role in both World Wars, so we must have been fighting, and dying, on one side or the other.

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