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BWdem4life

(2,497 posts)
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 06:02 PM Apr 2022

Ok, so this is my first post on DU

Please be gentle.

On this post:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142901158

I was almost universally ridiculed for suggesting that Will Smith's 10-year suspension from Oscars ceremonies was more severe than a white actor of his stature would have received for the same act (and I'm not condoning the act in any way). I just feel like he was punished more severely than, say, Leonardo DiCaprio would have been. I know I'm not the only one in REAL LIFE who feels this way, but I guess the internet is different?

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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Ok, so this is my first post on DU (Original Post) BWdem4life Apr 2022 OP
Smith probably wouldn't show his face anyway, but I agree with you. Hoyt Apr 2022 #1
Welcome to DU and not gonna touch that. CurtEastPoint Apr 2022 #2
Welcome to DU. elleng Apr 2022 #3
Welcome to DU! secondwind Apr 2022 #4
Well, the Academy certainly has set a standard for this The Unmitigated Gall Apr 2022 #5
Nope. Male on male violence was totally acceptable. Phoenix61 Apr 2022 #6
Bet Will Smith and Chris Rock both wish they hadn't went there. brush Apr 2022 #7
I actually think that if a white star had slapped Chris Rock he would have been thrown out asap. femmedem Apr 2022 #8
;-{)🖖‍ Goonch Apr 2022 #9
Welcome to DU! ymetca Apr 2022 #10
In the mean time, 4 guys in Michigan won't multigraincracker Apr 2022 #11
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #12
Welcome to DU! spicysista Apr 2022 #13
I think it is very difficult to say drmeow Apr 2022 #14
Welcome to DU! SallyHemmings Apr 2022 #15
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. Smith probably wouldn't show his face anyway, but I agree with you.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 06:03 PM
Apr 2022

The incident got more publicity than it deserved.

elleng

(136,772 posts)
3. Welcome to DU.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 06:08 PM
Apr 2022

You may be right, and your opinion in no way justifies universal ridicule.

The Unmitigated Gall

(4,610 posts)
5. Well, the Academy certainly has set a standard for this
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 06:11 PM
Apr 2022

Kind of thing…

And if Leo DiCaprio hauls off and smacks George Clooney, I’m going to expect that standard to be upheld.

Welcome to DU, BTW! Bit of a newbie here myself.

Phoenix61

(17,721 posts)
6. Nope. Male on male violence was totally acceptable.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 06:12 PM
Apr 2022

especially if it was for “standing up for his woman” in years past. That type of behavior is now seen for what it is, an unacceptable loss of control. Will had plenty of time to consider his actions. From the time he stood up until he was on stage. He could have shamed Chris right then and there for a tasteless joke about an incurable medical condition. He could have told him he needed to apologize to Jada(?) and everyone else who suffers with that condition. But he didn’t. He took the low road and that’s what got him 10 years.

brush

(58,015 posts)
7. Bet Will Smith and Chris Rock both wish they hadn't went there.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 06:13 PM
Apr 2022

I do too. IMO they both were wrong. Of all the people to crack jokes on Rock picked a Black woman to shame. He knows as well as any other Black person about Black women and their hair. Do not go there. Leave it alone.

I don't think I need to go into why Smith was off the charts wrong.

Welcome to DU.

femmedem

(8,450 posts)
8. I actually think that if a white star had slapped Chris Rock he would have been thrown out asap.
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 06:14 PM
Apr 2022

And maybe that wouldn't have led to a ten-year suspension, because the academy wouldn't have been trying to cover their butts for having bungled it initially.

I think two things happened: first, people were too shocked to react because this was so out of character for Smith. Second, coming out of #OscarsSoWhite and with a focus on diversity, no one wanted the story to be about the excessive punishment of a Black man.

But that's just supposition on my part. Who knows? I would never ridicule you for having a different opinion, and I'm sorry anyone did. I hope it gets better for you after this here at DU!

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
10. Welcome to DU!
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 06:27 PM
Apr 2022

And yeah, seems a bit harsh. But he's rich, right? So who really cares! [note: this is snark]

Whenever anyone delicately dances into the harsh social media spotlight of the intersection between race and class, the trigger-warning switches get activated. Sirens start blaring. "Woke" and "anti-woke" forces start going into berserker mode. Eventually it all gets swallowed into the gaping maw of the next faux (?) outrage.

This adolescent social media phase is quite nuts, and I truly have no idea where it is all going.

spicysista

(1,731 posts)
13. Welcome to DU!
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 08:12 PM
Apr 2022

I welcome your thoughts in this forum.

I just think this situation is dumb. All of it. The punitive measures against Will Smith were brought on by his own actions. I've got nothing for him. The actions of the Academy were expected. That's why he resigned from the Academy. Mr.Smith already knew what time it was the moment he tearfully accepted his award later that evening.
Is there any scenario where a Black person does something wrong and he/she is punished less severely than a White person? Of course not! Will knows this as does the rest if us. He played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.

drmeow

(5,330 posts)
14. I think it is very difficult to say
Sat Apr 9, 2022, 06:27 PM
Apr 2022

Full disclosure - I'm a white woman.

I think there was a lot of shock that prevented anyone from doing anything immediately - you just don't expect that and people don't know how to react.

I don't think Chris Rock would have said something like that about a white man's wife (I think that type of automatic self-censorship, especially in black men, is so ingrained it just would not have happened).

I think if Chris Rock had said he wanted Will Smith removed they would have. They asked him and he said "no" (at least that was my understanding).

I think if a white male star had slapped Chris Rock that it would have very much depended on the stature of the white star (how much power they were perceived to have in the academy and in the industry). The lower his status, the higher the likelihood of removal. However, I still think they would have asked Chris Rock.

I think that if a white man had slapped Chris Rock and they had removed him, his removal and an apology would have likely been enough without a 10 year ban but, again, the stature of the white man would have made a huge difference.

My take on the whole thing is basically that one male did a violent sexist thing to another male in response to a violent sexist thing the other male had done. I don't think the academy gives a f**k about women and especially about black women/WOC and had Will Smith merely yelled at Chris Rock from the sidelines they still would have slapped him on the wrist because saying shit about women is perfectly fine but disrupting their big narcissistic awards show is a big no-no.

Finally, I think DU is like the real world - there are racists and misogynists in the Democratic party and they are here, too. There are less of them than in the country on average and exponentially less of them than on the right but they are here, never-the-less.

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