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mopinko

(71,597 posts)
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:38 PM Sep 2022

i hope it is safe to post this here.

Last edited Fri Sep 9, 2022, 10:40 AM - Edit history (1)

i got a hide today for a post saying i wasnt sad. but damn it, obits are the 1st draft of history, and i'll be damned if i let the fawning overtake facts.

yeah, i'm gettin a lot of flack today for being glad the old bird is no more. but i'm irish, and there is blood on that crown of my direct ancestors. before my grandparents came on coffin ships, 5 gen back, my rebel ancestor was sent to oz on a prison ship, tho above decks as a settler, his kin scattered. his nephew landed here. and the more f'ed up this country becomes, the more bitter i get that i am here and not home.

eta- tho my ancestor went as a settler, shortly after he got there, he was charged w sedition for saying- in this land all irishmen will be one.
for that he went to van demon's land. he was eventually acquitted, and rose to power there. but in the end, the crown, w help from the bottle, took him down, and he died in debtor's prison.




update- earlg has kindly reversed my hide.
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i hope it is safe to post this here. (Original Post) mopinko Sep 2022 OP
I couldn't quite put my finger on why I wouldn't want to go to England mahina Sep 2022 #1
ya know, i got none of this from family. mopinko Sep 2022 #3
I saw another DU situation similar a few hours ago Tetrachloride Sep 2022 #2
ty. mopinko Sep 2022 #4
The Irish Affairs Group Tetrachloride Sep 2022 #5
1 more thing. mopinko Sep 2022 #6
also, if you dont know this band, let it roll on yt. mopinko Sep 2022 #7
My Irish grandmother was burned out of her home blm Sep 2022 #8
rec pls mopinko Sep 2022 #9
I'm ok with the British people IbogaProject Sep 2022 #10
yeah, it's time for monarchy to die. mopinko Sep 2022 #11
Recommended. H2O Man Sep 2022 #12
she was a grand old broad, but mopinko Sep 2022 #13
Monarchies need to go the way of the Dodo. IrishAfricanAmerican Sep 2022 #14
i'm wondering this am mopinko Sep 2022 #15
Interesting blurb on Newsweek on people celebrating the death of the queen.. mitch96 Sep 2022 #16
ty. as british monarchs go, she was not the worst. mopinko Sep 2022 #17
But she had her hand in the wrong doings of the monarchy... as one commenter stated: mitch96 Sep 2022 #18
yup. she was a sweet face on an old meat grinder. mopinko Sep 2022 #19

mahina

(18,840 posts)
1. I couldn't quite put my finger on why I wouldn't want to go to England
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:43 PM
Sep 2022

For so long until I remembered that my grandfather absolutely loathed the English being the son of Irish immigrants. I mean loathed.

It took me a while to put it away personally but it is quite interesting how we learn hatred. I’ve seen it learned intergenerational in other ways. The US has certainly done its share of harm, not least where my grand folks landed.

You do you but it doesn’t serve me. Figured that out when I met an English person. She had nothing to do with any of it. I wish it wasn’t such a compelling emotion. But here we are.

mopinko

(71,597 posts)
3. ya know, i got none of this from family.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:49 PM
Sep 2022

i got it form finding my roots, and learning my history.
also, the songs. i found that uncle in a song.

my 1st gen folks were grateful to be here. unfortunately, i ended up being born at the end of the commuter line from my extended family. my older sibling may as well have been born there.
but still, this anger did not come from them.
dont think i'd be this bitter had i been raised in the 5ht province of cook county.

Tetrachloride

(8,408 posts)
2. I saw another DU situation similar a few hours ago
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:44 PM
Sep 2022

I can say that the wikipedia pages are not so easily manipulated.

Nor my memory.

Nor my DNA.

This section exists for a reason.

mopinko

(71,597 posts)
6. 1 more thing.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:54 PM
Sep 2022

i have friends who are children of diaspora from all over the globe. at least half are so due to the crown.

mopinko

(71,597 posts)
7. also, if you dont know this band, let it roll on yt.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 10:59 PM
Sep 2022

right now i am cheered that al at yt is serving up tracks from their album 4 fat dads. it's mostly comedy recorded at dragon con 2008.
danny in the jar, and fairies stole my keys will raise your spirits.

what the heck-




mopinko

(71,597 posts)
11. yeah, it's time for monarchy to die.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 11:25 PM
Sep 2022

and easy for the old girl to be sweet when she has so many to do her dirty work. and so much loot to live on.
i hope charles uses his time to do what he can to save the humans. he knows the science, he's walking the walk, and it's his passion.
and honestly, i dont hate him for di, i blame The Firm. and the idiocy of that virginity shit.

H2O Man

(75,264 posts)
12. Recommended.
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 11:30 PM
Sep 2022

My older son has shown me things from our relatives in Ireland. It is something that can't be explained in so many words: either you understand, or you don't.

I understand that others on this forum are sad she died. So I don't respond much on those OP/threads. I'm neither happy nor sad that she died. She lived a dull life. I really don't know much about her, and suspect that she was a good person. But I do not take the feudal concept of "royalty" -- from medieval times -- to be any of any more value than the idea the earth is flat. I don't think the words "your majesty" can be applied to Charles in a serious manner.

mopinko

(71,597 posts)
13. she was a grand old broad, but
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 11:36 PM
Sep 2022

so would i be if i had The Firm to do all my dirty work.
been a deluge, tho. and i thought this place was mad when st ronnie died.

IrishAfricanAmerican

(4,112 posts)
14. Monarchies need to go the way of the Dodo.
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 02:16 AM
Sep 2022

Of all the archaic wastes of time, nothing quite outdoes a good old fashioned monarchy.

The histories, traditions and near religious fervor surrounding them are more than enough evidence that they are a blight on humanity. The fact that a group of people, "nobles," is set above all others is a bunch of horse shit. The untold damage they have done to peoples of the world, (especially the two groups I represent,) demands they be abolished.

Be gone!


mopinko

(71,597 posts)
15. i'm wondering this am
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 06:57 AM
Sep 2022

what happens if it falls? and what is chuck going to do?
he cares about the environment, so i hope he does some good.
someone was pushing me in another thread about what i would do. start giving it away.

and yeah, the point of my op was that the monarchy should fall. not liz should rot in hell.

mitch96

(14,583 posts)
18. But she had her hand in the wrong doings of the monarchy... as one commenter stated:
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 08:00 AM
Sep 2022

"Reminder that Queen Elizabeth is not a remnant of colonial times. She was an active participant in colonialism. She actively tried to stop independence movements & she tried to keep newly independent colonies from leaving the commonwealth. The evil she did was enough."
It was all about money and power at the cost of other peoples sweat and blood as I see it..
Like many tyrants, these were not nice people. They traded in human capitol who's remnants this country is still dealing with today. The cause of a great famine to maintain profits is unconscionable.. grrrrrrr...
m

mopinko

(71,597 posts)
19. yup. she was a sweet face on an old meat grinder.
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 08:07 AM
Sep 2022

a sweet young girl, a mother, a grandmother. all the while the old machine ground on.
you wonder where we would be now if there had been a harder face on it.

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