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Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 03:41 PM Apr 2012

Running with Scissors, by Agusten Burroughs - I'm reading this book with my jaw dropping

I never saw the movie, but if this is the bio of Augusten Burroughs (with the names changed, of course), he suffered the great misfortune of being surrounded only by complete psychotics from the time he was born until he finally made his way into the world on his own.

It would be an understatement to say that the family his psychotic mother handed him over to, and who adopted him (the family of her shrink), was completely insane. In fact, that family went beyond insane. The daughters were outright nuts, and you'd have to read it to believe it. The shrink/adoptive father moved psychotic patients into his home, allowed pedophilia to go on, the stay-at-home mom permitted the house to be a filth-pot like those homes that end up shut down by the health department, the entire family was a den of psychoses, beginning with the psychiatrist, whose license was eventually (thank goodness) taken away and could no longer practice.

However, I think the whackiest thing in this story is the fact that this psychiatrist's family actually got upset when they read Burrough's descriptions of them (again, with different names) in Running with Scissors, then sued him and gave interviews to the national media. If that'd been me, I'd have changed my name, never uttered a peep, and gotten myself a whole new identity. I would never have allowed anyone to know I grew up in that. ew.

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Running with Scissors, by Agusten Burroughs - I'm reading this book with my jaw dropping (Original Post) Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 OP
Sounds like a hippie commune to me. bemildred Apr 2012 #1
Were hippie communes ruleless? I kinda thought all groups had rules of one sort or another Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #3
Pretty much. bemildred Apr 2012 #5
I read that within the hippie movement there was still a huge amount of Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #6
Quite. bemildred Apr 2012 #7
That is messed up. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #8
I could tell you stories. bemildred Apr 2012 #9
I hve it. I have been reluctant to read it, tho. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #2
Not depressing per se, unless you look at the overall picture... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #4
Turns out it's not so autobiographical salvorhardin May 2012 #10
Even if only 10% is autobiographical, it's an outrageous story! nt Sarah Ibarruri May 2012 #11
I've read ALL of Augustine Burroughs! Texasgal May 2012 #12
They are definitely NOT boring! nt Sarah Ibarruri May 2012 #13
I didn't like Magical thinking. Neoma May 2012 #14
fascinating stuff, thanks. fe6252fes Jun 2012 #15

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
3. Were hippie communes ruleless? I kinda thought all groups had rules of one sort or another
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 08:28 PM
Apr 2012

I didn't grow up in the hippie era.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
5. Pretty much.
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 07:35 AM
Apr 2012

"Do your own thing."

There would be occasional attempts to impose order, but they would be ignored. Not saying that worked very well, mind you. It's difficult to describe how different the mindset and attitudes were from 2012. Post-WWII the USA was very conformist, to be a corporate "organization-man" was the goal of life, and sexism, racism, and any other kind of -ism you can think of were the norm. There were pejorative names for everybody, and it was a great laugh-getter to use them.

The hippies etc. said fuck all that, radical anti-authoritarianism, radical acceptance of people who did not "fit", anarchy in the sense of lack of any controlling order. Of course, that didn't work much better than the current "we've got to watch all the time and control everything" model.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
6. I read that within the hippie movement there was still a huge amount of
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 07:57 AM
Apr 2012

mysogyny, with some hippie men being quite narcissistic and feeling themselves superior to women. Was that the case?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. Quite.
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 08:06 AM
Apr 2012

Any women past puberty were pretty much fair game. Used to piss me off (I'm a guy, I like women, but taking advantage of kids is wrong.) And of course, then as now, there were men who hate women and women who were pissed off at men.

Edit: and to be fair, many women and girls at the time were on board with "free love", I'll never forget driving my babysitter (14) home one night, and listening to her discuss with a girlfriend whether it was time for her to screw her older boyfriend or not.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
9. I could tell you stories.
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 08:46 AM
Apr 2012

To be fair, the exploitatilon of jailbait was not something the hippies invented or were even particularly about. That sort of thing was really big and bragged about more in the music world. My first wife told me about the older male friends of her Dad who took advantage of her and thought they were doing her a favor, and I was hit on a few times too.

In the historical context, it was the hippies and radicals that valorized the feminists and sexual equality, but there were a lot of people of both genders at the time just there to party.

It was only after the Raygun revolution that sexual mores changed in the direction of where we are now, and I give a lot of credit for that to the success of the 1st generation feminists.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
4. Not depressing per se, unless you look at the overall picture...
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 08:30 PM
Apr 2012

Most of the book was funny, mixed with revulsion, and a great deal of jaw-dropping amazement that such things could even exist.

salvorhardin

(9,995 posts)
10. Turns out it's not so autobiographical
Wed May 2, 2012, 02:15 PM
May 2012

Here's some stuff I dug up when I read Running With Scissors a few years ago.

I wanted to know more about the real life family Augusten Burroughs grew up with so I did some googling around about the facts. He was sued by the family of Dr. Rodolph H. Turcotte, the real family he lived with growing up. Naturally they dispute a lot of the stories in the book, but interviews I've read with their neighbors and Augusten's brother say a lot of it was true and, according to his brother, that he even left out a lot of the wilder stuff.

Anyway, here's the archive of a website of one of Dr. Turcotte's followers who was writing her own biography of Dr. Turcotte. The website doesn't exist any more but the Wayback Machine has caught most of it.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080731095416/http://www.rhturcottemd.com/


And here's the obituary of the priest, the Rev. Joseph Quigley, that was so close to Dr. Turcotte and the family.
http://www.umass.edu/loop/talkingpoints/articles/18882.php

Here's an NPR interview with Augusten Burroughs' mother, Margaret Robinson and a link to her website. Augusten Burroughs was born Christopher Robinson.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6209286
http://www.margaretrobison.com/home.htm

There was a January 2007 Vanity Fair article by Ruth Buzzinger called Ruthless With Scissors that interviewed the Turcotte family, but it isn't available to me online.
http://goo.gl/WuFn

Finally, here's a blog post that gives some background on the lawsuit.
http://thecrapspot.blogspot.com/2006/04/storytelling-compromised-augusten.html

A picture of Dr. Turcotte


Augusten Burroughs' brother, John Elder Robinson, has also written a memoir but focused on growing up with Asperger's Syndrome.

Neoma

(10,039 posts)
14. I didn't like Magical thinking.
Mon May 7, 2012, 11:31 AM
May 2012

From what I remember, it was because it wasn't about magical thinking.

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