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Think. Again.

(17,251 posts)
Wed Dec 13, 2023, 06:39 AM Dec 2023

Here's one for future car-trivia buffs...

Toyota thinks it’s a good idea to put a fake manual transmission in an EV.

Jennifer Mossalgue, Dec 12 2023
Full Article: https://electrek.co/2023/12/12/toyota-thinks-its-a-good-idea-to-put-a-fake-manual-transmission-in-an-ev/

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It’s been a little over a year since we first heard rumors that Toyota was devising a fake manual transmission with a clutch pedal and shifter to pretend you are shifting gears, and apparently, some patents date back to 2017. But lately, Toyota has been back at devising the system, which it dubs a “manual BEV concept.” At the Japan Mobility Show at the end of last month, it debuted a concept version of its Lexus UX 300e that featured the gearbox and clutch, the whole works. Excitement from the trial apparently encouraged the company to take it further.

While outside the vehicle, things run quietly as any typical EV; inside, you are transported to Fast and Furious, with artificial engine noise piped through the speakers to fully replicate the experience of driving an ICE engine. “From the outside, this vehicle is as quiet as any other BEV. But the driver is able to experience all the sensations of a manual transmission vehicle,” said chief engineer of Lexus’s EVs Takashi Watanabe. “This gave us so much fun that the project is now under serious development.”

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Most EVs just have a single-speed transmission, which can feel a bit flat for lovers of manual transmissions. EVs are way more efficient than ICE vehicles and can deliver full 100% torque after 0 RPM, whereas an ICE engine needs gears with different ratios to transfer that energy from the engine to the wheels at varying speeds. Some EVs from Porsche, Audi, and Jaguar use multispeed transmissions in their vehicles, which have two or more gears to reduce the load on the electric motor at higher speeds and extend driving range.

Fake transmissions certainly aren’t a new concept, with Dodge releasing a feature in its Charger Daytona SRT “Banshee” concept called eRupt transmission. Honda also toyed with the idea of a simulated manual transmission for its future EV lineup, not even the high-performance models, but decided to drop it.

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Here's one for future car-trivia buffs... (Original Post) Think. Again. Dec 2023 OP
I like manual sports cars, but I despise fakery of the kind proposed. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #1
I agree... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #2
Probably a market for 'em with fake Christian pastors. 3Hotdogs Dec 2023 #3
How about we make guns with fake sound effects and bullets Walleye Dec 2023 #4
Unfortunately... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #5
That is a very big part of the problem, been watching old 50s westerns Walleye Dec 2023 #6
That tells more about some drivers than it does Ferrets are Cool Dec 2023 #7
When Porsche switched to watercooled engines Old Crank Dec 2023 #8

Think. Again.

(17,251 posts)
2. I agree...
Wed Dec 13, 2023, 07:02 AM
Dec 2023

...this will go down in history as one of the silliest concepts since the 'Amphi-Car'.

However, I can see how more control over what the electric motor is actually doing, such as driver control of voltage input (or something), could be developed for serious drivers who want to hone their performance driving skills.

Walleye

(34,964 posts)
4. How about we make guns with fake sound effects and bullets
Wed Dec 13, 2023, 09:04 AM
Dec 2023

Maybe the gun Humpers would be happy to point them and say bang bang bang. Wishful thinking

Think. Again.

(17,251 posts)
5. Unfortunately...
Wed Dec 13, 2023, 09:11 AM
Dec 2023

...we've raised multiple generations of children on those things, only to see them become very comfortable as adults with real tools of death.

Walleye

(34,964 posts)
6. That is a very big part of the problem, been watching old 50s westerns
Wed Dec 13, 2023, 09:52 AM
Dec 2023

The tradition in America is you use a gun to get the drop on a guy and make him do something he doesn’t want to do. That’s what permeates a our culture If the person doesn’t bend to your will, you kill them. A lot of people don’t really desire gun for self protection. They think of it as personal power. “Be the boss. Teach them a lesson. Get back at them.” All as American as apple pie

Old Crank

(4,537 posts)
8. When Porsche switched to watercooled engines
Wed Dec 13, 2023, 08:17 PM
Dec 2023

They engineered in a whine that sounded like the engine aircooling fan that was replaced for a couple of years. Focus group people thought the new engines didn't sound like a Porsche. Marketing and image over engineering.

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