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Related: About this forumHOLY SHIT!!! Did you see the final play of tonight's World Series Game?
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what do you think of that obstruction call?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)gopiscrap
(24,170 posts)I didn't think the obstruction was intentional
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Ranchemp.
(1,991 posts)and explained that, intentional or not, it's still obstruction, they said whether or not it was intentional didn't figure in the call.
Jim Joyce made the right call and Dana DuMuth immediately signaled that obstruction had been called.
gopiscrap
(24,170 posts)I had always thought that the obstruction had to be either intentional or so egregious that a player could have obviously avoided it and that situation didn't look that way to me. I stand corrected, thanks I learned something!
Ranchemp.
(1,991 posts)MLB has said that they're going to review this rule and possibly rewrite the intent portion of it.
gopiscrap
(24,170 posts)theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)When he bent and raised his knees to trip the runner.
BTW, I don't have a horse in this race.
Hayabusa
(2,135 posts)and I can't help but think that it was an intentional attempt to obstruct the baserunner.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,497 posts)thoroughly bizarre.
if Salty's throw wasn't horrible then it wouldn't have happened (no one has mentioned that....should have been Ross catching tonight).
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)get up? Hmmmm. Looked to me like he was just lying there - like there wasn't even enough time for him to figure out whether or not to get out of way or get up.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,497 posts)Ross should have caught tonight. Farrell is being out managed at this point.
VWolf
(3,944 posts)about 10 times, with expletives, when it happened.
Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)There is even a scenario in the rulebook describing something very similar to the play that happened tonight.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)to lie on the ground" means.
Of course I am thrilled - but fair is fair and it really didn't look intentional to me - although that last kick up of his feet looked a tiny bit fishy
gopiscrap
(24,170 posts)Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,324 posts)the runner" VERY likely. Not definitely. Not so clear. The easy result could have been to let the play finish and have the umps conference and decide after some review.
The home plate ump had already shown himself to be biased (Far too many strike calls in the Cardinals favor)
We was robbed.
(BUT, it IS only a game)
Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)The play at the plate meant nothing. Obstruction had already been called. The runner was allowed to advance by rule after the third baseman tripped him. But you expect them to disregard the rules and talk about it for awhile until they decide it's OK to trip a runner who would have scored? The rule was applied exactly as written in the rule book so no, you weren't robbed. You just got beat.
And crying over balls and strikes is bush league. Quit whining and swing the bat.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,324 posts)"trip him" The runner tried to hop over him and stumbled WITHOUT touching him.
Okay, the rules say call it obstruction. But today we read that the Commission WILL look at the rule and possibly add wording about intent, precisely for a play like this where the video shows no contact (after they ran into each other, that is) and no intent to obstruct
And because you're new here, I will point out that I was able to post replies without resorting to personal disparagement.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)"tripped him"...I envisioned someone standing near the baseline with their foot stuck out tripping the runner.
Watching it over, the third baseman looked to me like he was just staying still - like a person does when they hear a loud noise or hear something falling - you don't move because it is unknown where the danger is.
I think the ump thought he should have moved out of the way. But, was there enough time? Guess it doesn't matter according to the rules. At this given moment in time - he was there in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Still, the only thing that bothers me is the way he kicked up his feet.
joshcryer
(62,490 posts)Sucky that it went down that way but the rules don't talk about intent and the third baseman didn't intend it, as we all saw, but it was still an obstruction. Shame it went down that way.
groundloop
(12,262 posts)had the obstruction not happened. It was clear that the runner would have scored had he not gotten tangled up in the third baseman's legs, therefore it was the proper call.
And Salty had no business making that throw anyway.
Gore1FL
(21,883 posts)Games 2-3 were handed to the Cardinals by the Red Sox. Game 1 was handed to the Red Sox by the Cardinals.
Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)Do you think these guys are tired? I think the season is too long and they're worn out by the time the playoffs start. That's why there's all these errors. The World Series needs to be over before October instead of just starting up.
Gore1FL
(21,883 posts)The extra post-season games add 11-19 extra games (12-20 if the WildCard goes to the series.) That's a sizable extension to the season.
It's getting cold, too.
Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts).. not that we haven't seen some good pitching but these are elite level pitchers and they are coming out of the game in the 4-6 inning sometimes.
I watched the Braves all season and their pitching fell flat in the last month of the regular season. They were out of gas and they started getting rocked.
These guys that are pitching/catching right now will be reporting to spring training in less than 4 months.
Brother Buzz
(37,795 posts)First time in World Series history, a game ends with a "walk-off pick-off.", and it happened while the baseball talking heads were snarking about how ludicrous it was to attempt to hold Kolten Wong at first.
Kolten Wong sucked in and got played
gopiscrap
(24,170 posts)that was crazy on Saturday first time a World Series game ended on an obstruction and on Sunday the first time a game ended on a pick off. Pretty bizarre and both teams in a game were the victims.
Brother Buzz
(37,795 posts)When their own bone-headed runner got played.
gopiscrap
(24,170 posts)I was trying to use a kind set of words.
Brother Buzz
(37,795 posts)Jonny Gomes' three-run homer was the game. Rookie Wong falling asleep and getting picked-off was entertainment. I'm just saying.
gopiscrap
(24,170 posts)Do you think the Red Sox will win on Wednesday?
Brother Buzz
(37,795 posts)That, and the American League designated hitter thingy restores the Sox to their full potential.
That being said, I believe either team can beat the other on any given day.
gopiscrap
(24,170 posts)plus all season they seem to have been able to capitalize on opponents little mistakes better than just about any team I've seen play this season.
VWolf
(3,944 posts)how little the "talking heads" know
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)gopiscrap
(24,170 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)make an argument that another ump wouldn't have called it...but it's water under the bridge now.