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happyslug

(14,779 posts)
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:50 PM Feb 2015

How is your winter biking coming along?

In Johnstown PA, we have been below Zero three times in the last week, one time the high was -1. That is extremely cold for Johnstown. We have no where near the snow of New England about six to eight inches on the ground. When this cold snap hit, we had a light snow, then light rain then more snow. Not enough rain to melt the snow, just the right amount to freeze up into a two inch ice sheet. This melted during the one day temperature went over freezing, then temperature dropped back to Zero.

Anyway, I have been biking in this weather. My Automobile was in the shop and took them a week to get it done. Thus I ended up biking to and from work all week.

Fortunity I put on my studded tires last month, so when I went out I actually had traction on the packed snow and ice. After three to four days of packed snow on the main roads, the city finally had them clear today (side roads are still packed snow, another example of Johnstown Snow Removal Policy "Spring is around the corner&quot .

I was dressed. Worn two pairs of pants, no long Johns. Tennis shoes with wool sox. Rain proof jacket over a "hoodie". On my head I had a fake fur hat (which I added an open face balaclava). For my hands I use Army mittens. My nose was a little cold but it was more then doable.

Any one else biking this time of year?

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Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
1. I haven't been out in a while, it's either cold or raining
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:12 PM
Feb 2015

My knees have been missing biking, it actually makes them feel better.

I bet you had drivers looking at you like you are barking mad.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
4. There was a full carbon fiber one at my local shop
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:39 PM
Feb 2015

It looked crazy expensive, but the mechanic said they were worth it if you had the money. I got the chance to ride one about 100 feet once, and they feel like they could go over anything without a problem. Add the carbon fiber weight savings, and that's a heck of a bike. I'd tour offroad with them any day.

Edit to add that the gear ratios were less than one on some of them!

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
6. Not enough snow around here for Snowshoeing yet
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:52 PM
Feb 2015

It is getting close, I heard on Allegheny Mountain they have enough snow. In my experience you need at least five inches of snow for snow shoeing. Less then that regular boots will do for you will just sink to the frozen ground below the snow. I may try some snowshoeing, I have a pair of Army Surplus Snow Shoes that I have used in previous winters. Works nice on the mountain and in the trees.

As to fat tire bikes, my local bike shop has a couple, he told my he had sold a good many, Excellent in snow and mud. I may try them some day, but right now I have other plans for my money, such as paying off my debts and maybe getting an electric bicycle for the Spring.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
3. Pretty wonderful, actually.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:38 PM
Feb 2015

My winter biking is significantly easier than yours, though. I've been out riding about an hour and a half a day for the past month, and it's been nice. Seattle's stayed fairly dry in the last week, which has been perfect.

I just got a new bike a few weeks ago after my old one was stolen (a 2009 Masi Gran Corsa, found in good condition for under $600 ) and that kinda made me want to get out and ride. So I've been forcing myself to get out at least 6 days a week, rain or shine. It's been refreshing, and I've been pretty happy I've done it.

The worst weather I've had was a two and a half hour ride in the drenching rain. It was probably around 40-50 degrees out, so not too cold, but very, very wet. I was riding in a skinsuit and wool underwear underneath all of that, so I was completely soaked the entire time, but decently warm. The only thing I've been having a hard time keeping warm is my feet. The tennis shoes/wool socks combo is just not warm enough for me, and my feet start slipping off the pedals after a bit (ah, to have the extra money for new pedals and riding shoes).

Took a ride up to Snoqualmie Falls this weekend from the University area, about 3 hours up, 3 hours down, and utterly gorgeous the whole way. I'd post pics, but I don't have them downloaded yet

Ah, just another half hour at work and then I can go bike more

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
5. Rode my bike home, no problem in the snow on the flats
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:45 PM
Feb 2015

But the last part of my trip is up 5% slope for about a 1/4 of mile. The road had about an inch of packed snow, that was chewed up by cars going over it i.e. both packed AND loose. Normally I bike the whole 1/4 mile but halfway up that slope, I had to dismount today, the snow was to loose.

Now, this morning when I went down the same road, no problem. I have studded snow tires so I had traction. It was the combination of slope, packed snow and loose snow that forced me to walk that last 1/4 mile. If the route was flat or downhill I could have done it. Had the snow be packed with no loose parts I could have done it (I did it last week on such packed snow), but the addition of the loose packed snow was what killed me going up the hill.

I hope this is over soon, I want to get the Studded tires off my bike, They help a lot in ice and packed snow, but at the cost of extra rolling resistance so it is a little harder to bike then when I am on non-studded tires.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. These...
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 06:24 AM
Feb 2015


There are also the toe warmers you can put in the uppers.

They need air to work, so it helps to move your foot around a bit. Also, unpackage them about 15 minutes before your ride. They last for hours and will keep in a ziplock bag if you haven't been out too long.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
7. Tennis shoes? Wow
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 06:15 AM
Feb 2015

I put neoprene covers on my mtb shoes (I don't use road bike shoes, since I get off and walk around now and again) and found that the pedals are a major heat sink. So, I found a cheap online source of those adhesive foot warmers which I put under the insoles of the shoes. With rain pants over polyester sweat pants over a thermal base layer below, and a rain jacket over a long jersey over a thermal base above, and a pair of arm warmers, a balaclava and ski goggles, I was good down to the high 30s, as long as I remebered to unzip and zip going up and down hills. As noted in your treatise on cold weather, managing moisture is the important thing. Also, how you feel when you step outside is not a good gauge of how things will feel after the first mile.

Some of the retailers are discounting winter gear already and I got a pretty good deal on a thermal jacket that should arrive this weekend for temperatures in the 20s and 30s. The roads are dry here, so barring any problems with bad plowing or salt, I'm looking forward to getting in a few dozen miles. I ride 700x28 gatorskins which are relatively slick, but I'm about one bike expenditure away from being single again. The studded tires sound interesting, thought. Decisions, decisions... I'll keep to the dry roads with wide shoulders; although I have noticed that cold weather Sunday traffic is pretty light on the back roads.



In other news, a 2004ish Trek 3700 mountain bike in bad condition found its way to me some months back, and I've gotten it to be rideable. While not a fat tire bike, it's the first mountain bike I've ridden and, dang, I took it out for a spin through a snowy field two weeks back and had a blast wearing ski pants taped up to stay out of the crank, boots on platform pedals and a ski jacket. I took along a backpack and made a grocery run out of it.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
10. In johnstown the snow not up to the level that I need boots
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 05:40 PM
Feb 2015

I do occasionally have to walk in a snow bank that goes over my tennis shoes and I can fell the snow seep inside the shoe, but as a whole most of the area has low snow coverage mostly to to the snow being trampled down by pedestrians or automobiles. Thus I generally use my New Balance tennis show (more a walking shoe). They do NOT permit sweat out or water in except from the top so I wear them. I prefer leather but I draw the line on wearing my leather sandals in the snow (I do wear them in Cold Weather, my feet run hot). When I hit the trails I switch to my Gore Tex lines Army surplus boots. Technically they are summer boots, but I have used them down to 10 degrees and had no problem using them (as I said, my feet run hot).

So yes I am using tennis shoes, I would be using sandals but they do not keep the snow away from my feet. The cold is NOT a problem with my feet. If it was just Zero Degrees and no snow or ice I would be wearing sandals while biking, for my feet run that hot.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
11. I went on a 2 hour ride yesterday, in sandals with snow on the ground
Thu Mar 12, 2015, 03:48 PM
Mar 2015

The local Temperature said 48 degrees, but snow is still on the ground. Took a ride up to the "Path of the Flood" Trail, it was open where cars can do, but the trail itself was still snow covered. I did walk along the trail for a little bit, but there was enough snow on the trail to enter my sandals so I had to turn around (I actually needed boots). I then took the trail to the other side of Johnstown and started on what had been my Favorite Trail before the Rails to Trail "Path of the Flood" trail came into being. Here are some photos of the trail from the from the spring of 2006:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=324x1154

Since I had done the Rails to Trail route first, I just covered the Johnstown Portion of the Trail and stayed out of the Conemaugh River Gap. Yes, in Sandals with Snow on the Ground but none on the actual road (through there is still solid ice on the side of the road). The road surface itself clear except the sides where Automobiles rarely go, those are covered with all types of crud. Given the Path of the Flood is snow covered, I will try the Conemaugh River Gap tonight after work. It is a two hour trip for me, through when the "Toon de Toona" was running, those racers did it under an hour when it was one of the legs of that bike race.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Tour_de_Toona

The Tour de Toona ran at about the same time as the Tour de France, but had a female division so most of the premier women cyclists showed up for the Tour de Toona while the men went to the Tour de France (and the Tour de Toona male section was clearly inferior to the female section of the race).

Being a Female dominated race, the Tour de Toona never obtain the support the Tour de France has and ended up closing down in 2011 do to a lack of sponsors. I mention it now for the Conemaugh River Gap was one of its premium sections and they did it in less then 1/2 to a 1/3 less time it takes me to ride that same distance.

The Path of the Flood follows the path the waters from the dam that broke in 1889 that destroyed Johnstown. It presently starts at South Fork, south of where the dam was located, through the narrow passes of the Little Conemaugh to Johnstown Itself, then down the Conemaugh river as it slowly dissipated.

http://www.indianacountyparks.org/links/pathofthefloodtrailbrochure.pdf

The Actual Trail uses the path of the old "Southern Cambria Railway" from South Fork to Mineral point, then goes under the main line of the old Pennsylvania Railroad (Now Norfolk and Southern). to the path of the old Portage Railway built in 1836. The path then goes through the oldest Railway tunnel in the US, the Staple bend tunnel, then down "Incline #1" then along a 36 inch in diameter water pipeline to Franklin Borough. The water was for use in the Steel Mills of Johnstown. This is the trail that is snow covered today, but in a week or so should be clear of snow.

Utube video of Mineral point to Franklin Borough, this was made BEFORE the Gap in the Trail was finished AND before someone sprayed the Knotweed so the path could become passable. The knotweed has been replaced by native vegetation along the path, through the Area is still heavy with knotweed, an invasive plant from China, Korea and Japan. The small wooden bridge has been removed and replaced by a large plastic tube covered with dirt. The riders also use a bypass that still exists but as part of improvement on the trail you can now go on a much improved trail. I did look for a more recent video but could not find any, and I just do not do videos:

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
12. Ive been biking 3-6 miles every other day ( in my days off )
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 02:46 PM
Mar 2015

Still have the Huffy dorky bike. Works great so far.

Kennah

(14,465 posts)
13. I ride year round, but that's actually pretty easy to do in Olympia, Washington
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 12:25 AM
Jun 2015

Now it's gotten so danged hot, and it's only gonna get worse. Can't wait for the chilly weather to return.

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