Tim Couch was taken #1 overall, Akili Smith #3 overall with Donovan McNabb sandwiched in between.

Both of these are bigger busts than Manziel for sure and Leaf as well, because not only did these teams pick piece of crap QB who failed but they turned down Ditka's offer of another teams entire draft to move down to slot #5 in the first round when you knew a RB was going in your slot.

Not sure which is worse, Wilson or the guy the 49ers jettisoned because of what they gave up to get them.

Manziel wasn't taken in the top half of the first round. All QB in the bottom half of round one are at best 50/50 lottery tickets to be servicable. So, by definition he cannot be as big a bust as someone that people either traded into the top 3 to get or turned down all those Ricky Williams picks to get.

And they can’t get away from until 2027. Serves them right.

That will go down with the Rocky Colavito trade as one of the worst in Cleveland sports -- and that is hard to say since the NBA had to create a rule that you could not give away all your first round picks in back to back years because of the horrible trades the Cavaliers made.

All that guarenteed money for a guy who had one good season.

Crazy.

2 time Butkas award winner at Oklahoma, signed the largest rookie contract with the Seahawks.

Want to know where he is today? Check out those Dr. Pepper commercials, The Boz is the cop.

Packers #2 overall draft pick. Was suppose to be the best offensive lineman ever, at that time. Never panned out

Wilson would be languishing as a backup QB anywhere else, and no one would care about him.

Mount Bustmore with Wilson as the fourth Horsemen of the Football Apocalypse? You need more horses and a bigger mountain. The list of failed Heisman winners who were at least as bad as Wilson (who didn't win the Trophy) is a lot longer than four.

Meh. Go to the QB stats for this year, and ask the bottom five what it's like to suck at QB. Ask numbers 23-50 what it's like to be crappier than Wilson. (I wouldn't him on my team, but let's get real. New York is not the center of the universe -- though it is a magnet for horrid QBs this year, including Jones, Taylor, and DeVito.)

That, like JaMarcus Russell and Johnny Football that Zach Wilson didn't do the off-field work to be successful in the NFL.

Trey Lance, also looking like a bust! Ditto for Mac Jones at #15. What was considered a deep QB draft class has produced Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields (some would say the jury is still out on both of them), but not much else of note.

Aaron Rodgers was drafted in 2005 but sat on the bench till 2008 while Brett Favre started.

Jordan Love was drafted in 2020 but sat on the bench will 2023 while Aaron Rodgers started.

I don't think its a bad idea to develop a young QB for a few years. Love is doing ok, and I think he's going to be another great one.

Love is tied for 15th with Kirk Cousins in passing yards despite playing two more games. 16 TDs and 10 INTs. His QBR of 47.7 puts him at 22 among QBs.

I think he'll be solidly mediocre, at best.

I don't expect "greatness" from him this year, especially when the whole team is so young.

He had over 300 yards yesterday.

I'd put money on C.J. Stroud, who's about three years younger and in his rookie season, as a much better bet to achieve greatness.

But I think a lot of the players who end up being MVPs don't start out looking like it.

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If you were to ask Bears fans their opinion of Fields, I think most would say they're ready to move on and want the Bears to draft another QB in 2024.

He's top 15 in many QB categories. And he just turned 24.

He had a fine game against the Titans with two passing TDs and ran another couple into the end zone himself. But he had quite a few duds too earlier this season.

There's a decent chance that he blossoms into an elite QB or maybe he'll just remain "solid" for the rest of his career. But hey, he's already earning almost $10 million per year at the level he's at now, so there's a lucrative future ahead, if he can remain healthy.

like Sam Howell leading the league in passing yards at 3,038! Who would have guessed that???

is Tim Boyle, a 29-year-old who has thrown for about 600 yards in his entire NFL career. It's possible things get worse before they get better for the Jets, and that's really saying something!

Trevor Siemian is up next after Boyle.