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Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 10:58 AM Nov 2016

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Truth is... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #1
College athletics needs to have a private conversation. Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #2
The Pac 12 North usually rates JonLP24 Nov 2016 #5
I love the idea of an 8 team playoff hueymahl Nov 2016 #3
It's got to be 16 teams at least. Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #4
Never ever going to get a shorter season hueymahl Nov 2016 #10
I would want a fair system JonLP24 Nov 2016 #6
What's wrong with the top four now? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #7
The CFB Rankings are decided by a grand total of 12 JonLP24 Nov 2016 #8
"Republicans or war criminals?" yallerdawg Nov 2016 #9
Because a committee selects the teams. Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #11
I may be wrong, but I believe the hitch in the system are the bowl games rurallib Nov 2016 #12
Here's why four is the right number for the playoff LP2K12 Nov 2016 #13
Some good points hueymahl Nov 2016 #14
I actually agree with you... LP2K12 Nov 2016 #15
I don't have a problem with a top 4 JonLP24 Nov 2016 #16
Agreed as well. LP2K12 Nov 2016 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #18

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
1. Truth is...
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 11:13 AM
Nov 2016

it's amazing how high in the polling mediocre teams in mediocre conferences end up.

What we don't want to see is a bantam-weight go up against a heavy-weight in the Final Four.

Remember Alabama/Notre Dame a couple years ago? The championship committee will try to eliminate that.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
2. College athletics needs to have a private conversation.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 11:20 AM
Nov 2016

The big conferences make a literal fortune from their TV contracts from football and basketball. Set up a playoff structure that is identical to the pros: a bunch of divisions that feed directly into the playoffs based only on the final standing in the division. No exceptions, no selection committee. Your "deserving" team didn't make it? Win more games next year.

JonLP24

(29,348 posts)
5. The Pac 12 North usually rates
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 03:46 PM
Nov 2016

As the 2nd toughest division after the SEC East according to Sagarin ratings. It might be the Big Ten East this year but Washington is no slouch, they are in the top 2 in the nation in yards per pass attempt defense.

hueymahl

(2,647 posts)
3. I love the idea of an 8 team playoff
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 11:38 AM
Nov 2016

The conference champion of these conferences get an automatic bye:

SEC
ACC
Big Ten
Big Twelve
Pac 12
(you could argue Big East too, but in my world, they are not strong enough any more)

The final three are at large picks from any conference.

Adds one week to the season for 2 teams and elevates conference championships back to critical role, which is where they should be.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
4. It's got to be 16 teams at least.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 12:09 PM
Nov 2016

So, we need maybe six large conferences with 12 automatic bids and 4 wildcard teams -- all based on either conference placement (winner/runnerup) or final W-L record. No committee, no exceptions.

We back away from the current 11 game schedules -- 9 or 10 game regular season -- and start the playoffs early. We deep-six the bowl games entirely and replace them with playoff games. Those bowl games that actually cost the participating teams money are eliminated entirely and never again see the light of day.

hueymahl

(2,647 posts)
10. Never ever going to get a shorter season
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 09:41 PM
Nov 2016

too much money at stake. For that reason, I see zero chance of 16 team playoff.

JonLP24

(29,348 posts)
6. I would want a fair system
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 03:48 PM
Nov 2016

Because a mid major can be better than a lot of those conference champions and the American conference is tougher than people think. I want to use BCS Rankings 1 thru 4 or 1 thru 8. because they were a hell of a lot fairer to mid majors than the joke of a selection committee. It is the most biased bullshit in college sports.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
7. What's wrong with the top four now?
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 06:31 PM
Nov 2016

How is it biased?

JonLP24

(29,348 posts)
8. The CFB Rankings are decided by a grand total of 12
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 06:42 PM
Nov 2016

Mostly athletic directors from power conferences with their bullshit analysis. The AP, Coaches, or BCS are fair but this selection committee is a joke. How many are Republicans or war criminals?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
9. "Republicans or war criminals?"
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 07:04 PM
Nov 2016


If we had Democrats and peaceniks on committee, it wouldn't be biased and the Pac-12 would be on top?
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
11. Because a committee selects the teams.
Mon Nov 21, 2016, 08:00 AM
Nov 2016

rurallib

(63,198 posts)
12. I may be wrong, but I believe the hitch in the system are the bowl games
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:29 PM
Nov 2016

none of which want to be a lesser early round bowl, nor do they want to be a bowl that has to settle for #17 and lower.

At least that was what i remember as the real reason behind the goofy "let's have some guys in a room pick 'em" system.

All the other levels do it and it would make huge bucks - but there are egos involved.

Sort of reminds me of college basketball being unwilling to challenge the NIT for many years.

LP2K12

(885 posts)
13. Here's why four is the right number for the playoff
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:50 AM
Nov 2016
To any and all, I'm sorry your team is no longer in the running for the College Football Playoff. But -- and I've written this here before -- expansion beyond the current, tidy, four-team bracket is a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad idea.

Yes, under the current model, a Power 5 conference champion will always be left out. Good! Yes, under the current model there is the chance that we end up with a résumé comparison contest that generates weeks of debate leading into the reveal of the final rankings and at least several days of debate after that reveal. Great! Teams, coaches and fans are going to have their feelings hurt. The vast majority of those teams, coaches and fans will be reduced to spectators as the final four teams do battle to kick off the New Year. Fantastic!

This is supposed to be hard, isn't it? After all, it is the postseason of America's second-biggest sport. And what makes this sport so unique, what separates it from the NFL, is a level of passion and a degree of difficulty that exist nowhere else.

As such, is expanding the College Football Playoff field, a move that would inarguably pave an easier road to a postseason berth, going to stoke those fires? Not a chance. It would sprinkle water on them.

Look no further than The Game. Whenever Michigan and Ohio State share a field, there will be excitement and anger and people who have dressed their babies up like Woody and Bo. But think about the situation Saturday morning, with all that was on the line. Anyone who says there wasn't an extra level of electricity to that game didn't watch it. The stakes were so high in Columbus that the pressure spilled over from the Horseshoe into Happy Valley, where Penn State needed to close the deal with Michigan State to win the division, had been told the score from The Game and found itself in a two-point game at halftime. That intensity also crossed Lake Michigan to Camp Randall Stadium, where Ohio State barely survived OT against Wisconsin, which had to rally past Minnesota to save its two-loss season and preserve its playoff hopes.


http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18152730/why-four-teams-perfect-college-football-playoff

I kinda agree with this guy...

hueymahl

(2,647 posts)
14. Some good points
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:57 PM
Nov 2016

My biggest issue is elevating conference champions. It is supposed to be part of the formula now, but who knows how much weight they give it? If we stick with a four team playoff, I would want to change the rule so that if you don't win your conference championship, you are excluded from the national title picture. Tough tootsies Ohio State and every other "great" team that could not manage to win inside their own conference.

LP2K12

(885 posts)
15. I actually agree with you...
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:31 PM
Nov 2016

and I'm an Ohio State fan. I don't think they should be ranked higher than 5 right now and should not be in the playoffs.

JonLP24

(29,348 posts)
16. I don't have a problem with a top 4
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:12 PM
Nov 2016

I have a problem with a f'n selection committee

LP2K12

(885 posts)
17. Agreed as well.
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 09:26 AM
Nov 2016

No argument there.

I never got the point of the committee. They're not special. A computer can do the exact same thing without playing favorites and changing the criteria yearly.

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