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guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 03:13 PM Sep 2018

Intolerance in action: Group: Officials destroying crosses, burning Bibles in China

From the AP article:

China’s government is ratcheting up a crackdown on Christian congregations in Beijing and several provinces, destroying crosses, burning Bibles, shutting churches and ordering followers to sign papers renouncing their faith, according to pastors and a group that monitors religion in China.
The campaign corresponds with a drive to “Sinicize” religion by demanding loyalty to the officially atheist Communist Party and eliminating any challenge to its power over people’s lives....

“The international community should be alarmed and outraged for this blatant violation of freedom of religion and belief,” he wrote in an email.


To read more:

https://religionnews.com/2018/09/10/group-officials-destroying-crosses-burning-bibles-in-china/
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Intolerance in action: Group: Officials destroying crosses, burning Bibles in China (Original Post) guillaumeb Sep 2018 OP
China has never really been friendly to Christianity. MineralMan Sep 2018 #1
Yes it does. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #2
How dare Xians want to change a culture. Igel Sep 2018 #3
These are Chinese Christians. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #6
Way to miss the point. n/t trotsky Sep 2018 #10
That is a very good question. MineralMan Sep 2018 #23
Would like to see a non religious news source report on this lunasun Sep 2018 #4
It is from an AP report, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #5
I questioned it but yes see it is from AP . Why question it ? Because as the AP ends it there are 38 lunasun Sep 2018 #11
The Chinese Govermment is also attacking Muslims. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #13
CCP let religions flourish in the 90s yet never predicted the competition that is now booming lunasun Sep 2018 #17
A reaction similar to what happened in Russia guillaumeb Sep 2018 #18
Another source: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #7
"demanding loyalty to the officially atheist Communist Party" trotsky Sep 2018 #8
So are they... guillaumeb Sep 2018 #9
You know the answer to that, but you would rather push your agenda. trotsky Sep 2018 #12
And do you also have an agenda? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #14
I have admitted my agenda to you. trotsky Sep 2018 #15
That is quite an agenda. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #16
Of course we agree on some things. trotsky Sep 2018 #29
The Chinese are keeping their boot heels on the necks WhiteTara Sep 2018 #19
The leaders of the Chinese Government believe in power and money. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #20
Plus they virulently hate religion. WhiteTara Sep 2018 #21
I believe that they see religion as a competitor in the battle for hearts and minds. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #22
You think centuries of using religion to manipulate the Chinese might have something to do with it? Major Nikon Sep 2018 #26
Many countries do not guarantee freedom of religion Mariana Sep 2018 #24
Is this whataboutism? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #31
What do you propose be done about it, Gil? Mariana Sep 2018 #36
I was referring to your opening statement. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #38
A number of Muslin nations also MineralMan Sep 2018 #25
Is this response whataboutism on your part? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #32
Nope. It's just descriptive. MineralMan Sep 2018 #39
Right. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #40
How dare a government try to impose beliefs on people! Eko Sep 2018 #27
We have American Christians who destroy crosses - by burning keithbvadu2 Sep 2018 #28
True, but that is to show their white pride. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #33
Also their Christianity. Mariana Sep 2018 #37
Oh boy, I love sleight of hand! Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #30
How insightful. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #34
I'd be happy to. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #35

MineralMan

(147,578 posts)
1. China has never really been friendly to Christianity.
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 03:28 PM
Sep 2018

The Christians always seem to want to change the culture of China to suit Christianity. Their reluctance to accept that western religion goes back a long, long way.

Here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_Movement_(China)
http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/cosmos/bgov/20th.htm

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
11. I questioned it but yes see it is from AP . Why question it ? Because as the AP ends it there are 38
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 04:08 PM
Sep 2018

million plus and growing . It seems like as a group, Christians would be a large force for the government to attack
"China has an estimated 38 million Protestants, and experts have predicted that the country will have the world’s largest Christian population in a few decades."

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
13. The Chinese Govermment is also attacking Muslims.
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 04:09 PM
Sep 2018

A power move to keep people loyal to the government only?

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
17. CCP let religions flourish in the 90s yet never predicted the competition that is now booming
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 04:53 PM
Sep 2018

with citizens for where they look for guidance, and direction IMO

I know in the recent past as religions have grown there they were working on it's place in China such as banning all religion in public schools etc. .
I don't believe the party ever thought even the Buddhist revival there would explode as it has. What can they do now with over hundreds of millions of them out in the open- a giant group compared to the smaller Muslim and Christian populations ?

Some of the older people now going to the temples and the new churches were raised in the red book red guard 50s-60s era where they spent thier teens not in school getting a formal education , but sent for years marching to areas to remove among other things religious
( mostly Buddhist / Tao )symbols what they have seen in a lifetime!

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
18. A reaction similar to what happened in Russia
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 04:58 PM
Sep 2018

after the implosion of the USSR.

Perhaps the governments in both countries misunderstood how deep the roots of belief are.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
8. "demanding loyalty to the officially atheist Communist Party"
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 04:02 PM
Sep 2018

Demanding loyalty to what?

Atheism? Nope.

The Communist Party? Yep.

As usual, your lame attempt to equate the Chinese government's actions with atheism fall completely flat.

You keep trying though, and everyone else will keep laughing at you. I like that arrangement.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
9. So are they...
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 04:05 PM
Sep 2018

intolerant atheists who happen to be Communists?

Or are they intolerant Communists who happen to be atheists?


Or are they examples of people being intolerant?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
12. You know the answer to that, but you would rather push your agenda.
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 04:08 PM
Sep 2018

Creating whatever false equivalencies are necessary to do so.

You have proven beyond a doubt you are not interested in sincere dialog, so I will not even attempt to do so with you anymore.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
15. I have admitted my agenda to you.
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 04:14 PM
Sep 2018

It's to point out that you are completely and utterly wrong in just about everything you say.

I'm proud of my agenda.

WhiteTara

(30,166 posts)
19. The Chinese are keeping their boot heels on the necks
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 05:00 PM
Sep 2018

of Tibetans and Mongolians. Millions are imprisoned and tortured and demanded to give up their religions. The christians aren't special. The Chinese don't believe in religion. Remember?

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
20. The leaders of the Chinese Government believe in power and money.
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 05:05 PM
Sep 2018

Anything that threatens either earns a violent response.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
22. I believe that they see religion as a competitor in the battle for hearts and minds.
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 05:10 PM
Sep 2018

A strategic hate, coupled perhaps with general intolerance.

Mariana

(15,118 posts)
24. Many countries do not guarantee freedom of religion
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:56 PM
Sep 2018

for their citizens and other residents. China is one of them.

What do you propose be done about it, Gil?

Mariana

(15,118 posts)
36. What do you propose be done about it, Gil?
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 01:56 PM
Sep 2018

That sentence is a question, Gil. You can tell it's a question because at the end of it, you see one of these: ?

What do you propose be done?

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
38. I was referring to your opening statement.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 02:02 PM
Sep 2018

The one at the very top of your post in the small box.

It is an issue for the Chinese people to solve. The US Government will say nothing because the 1% do a lot of business with China.

MineralMan

(147,578 posts)
25. A number of Muslin nations also
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:06 PM
Sep 2018

Don't tolerate organized Christian worship. Historically, some Christian nations made war against other religions. National, cultural and religious bigotry and intolerance are constants.

Deplorable, isn't it?

keithbvadu2

(40,120 posts)
28. We have American Christians who destroy crosses - by burning
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:29 PM
Sep 2018

We have American Christians who destroy crosses - by burning

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
35. I'd be happy to.
Thu Sep 13, 2018, 01:51 PM
Sep 2018

If you find anyone interested in discussing this issue, please point me in their direction.

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