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guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 06:46 PM Sep 2018

The struggle for a new American Gospel

From the article:

A couple of years earlier, after a decade of estrangement, I felt a tug to reconnect with organized religion. My two oldest children started having questions. When my daughter asked, “What is God?” we gave the kids a book that said God is everything, which led to my son telling my mother that God was our Honda. So, I started looking for a church. There was no rock band playing slick praise-and-worship music at Trinity Church of Austin, and certainly no speaking in tongues. During services, I saw gay couples and transgender people sitting alongside white-haired Methodist women. The pianist shared that it was the anniversary of his coming to this church, and then explained how his last congregation had ostracized him for being gay. He began to cry as he spoke, and I felt my own tears running down my face.


To read more:

https://newrepublic.com/article/151102/struggle-new-american-gospel-liberal-evangelical-search-god-trumps-america

Long, but well worth the time.
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The struggle for a new American Gospel (Original Post) guillaumeb Sep 2018 OP
And: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #1
It's called... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #2
Has the old one expired or something? MineralMan Sep 2018 #3
People constantly reinterpret the Bible for their own ends marylandblue Sep 2018 #4
Whatever. There's not going to be a new "Gospel," though. MineralMan Sep 2018 #5
It is Christian tradition to break with tradition marylandblue Sep 2018 #9
But those aren't new gospels. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #7
They don't plan to literally write a new sacred text marylandblue Sep 2018 #8
Yeah that's the point. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #10
Who says religious reformations need to be intellectually valid? marylandblue Sep 2018 #11
And so many have that there are literally thousands of Christian denominations. MineralMan Sep 2018 #12
Some people seem to need a god marylandblue Sep 2018 #13
Well, there are plenty of them from which to choose, MineralMan Sep 2018 #14
I don't have a problem with liberal religion like in the OP marylandblue Sep 2018 #15
I guess that means all the current ones are no good. Cartoonist Sep 2018 #6

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
1. And:
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 06:47 PM
Sep 2018
Gungor met McHargue in 2013. McHargue had grown up in the heavily conservative Southern Baptist church in Tallahassee, Florida, and, like Gungor, was a lifelong Republican. As a kid, he was bullied because of his weight and found refuge in science, computers, and talking to Jesus in the woods. In 2007, he was married with two children and working in advertising when his father announced he was leaving his mother.

Their sudden divorce, which went against the family’s evangelical beliefs, shattered him, and for once the Bible offered no real answers. With help from Richard Dawkins and Carl Sagan, McHargue watched his belief in God disintegrate.

For three years he lived as a closeted atheist, not even telling his wife, all while serving as a deacon in their church.

He met Gungor at a party in Denver hosted by the left-wing pastor and writer Rob Bell, who has been condemned by traditional evangelicals for questioning the existence of hell, and other controversial stances. McHargue knew Bell through a mutual friend and had attended one of his conferences in Los Angeles, after which he’d had a mystical experience on the beach. (God had spoken to him, he said.) He was in the process of reassembling his faith, one that leaned more heavily into science, meditation, and social justice. These days, he and his family attend an affirming Methodist congregation in Pasadena.

NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
2. It's called...
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 09:54 PM
Sep 2018

...the book of mormon and was dictated to one joe smith by a white toad or salamander sitting in a hat.

MineralMan

(147,578 posts)
3. Has the old one expired or something?
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 08:40 AM
Sep 2018

I don't think this author understands the word "gospel" in the same way as others do.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
4. People constantly reinterpret the Bible for their own ends
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 11:37 AM
Sep 2018

In this case they are looking to combine the fervor of evangelical Christianity with less judgmental, more liberal politics.

MineralMan

(147,578 posts)
5. Whatever. There's not going to be a new "Gospel," though.
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 11:43 AM
Sep 2018

There's not going to be any re-writing of the basic story, nor of the basic things that Jesus was supposed to have said.

There are already hundreds of sizable denominations of Christianity. No more are needed, I'd guess, but more will probably splinter off.

There are already denominations that take a less judgmental, more liberal view of things. All people need to do is find those. The ELCA Lutherans are a pretty good example, I think.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
9. It is Christian tradition to break with tradition
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 09:17 AM
Sep 2018

Whenever Christian gets a new idea starts they like to start their own group. Makes it confusing for outsiders to have so many sects and orders, but it's not our religion so they can do what they want with it. I just like that this creates more political allies among the faithful.

Voltaire2

(14,715 posts)
7. But those aren't new gospels.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 08:37 AM
Sep 2018

As pointed out elsewhere- Joseph Smith had an actual new gospel.

To be an actual new revelatory text, gods have to start a new communication with mortals. (e.g.Smith) otherwise it is just another rewrite of the same old stuff.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
8. They don't plan to literally write a new sacred text
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 09:13 AM
Sep 2018

They are offering a new interpretation of the same old Bible. This is significant because they want to offer another path for who want that old time religion without that old time hatred.

Voltaire2

(14,715 posts)
10. Yeah that's the point.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 11:57 AM
Sep 2018

It ain’t a new revelation from gods, it is yet another rewrite of the same old nonsense, yet another overlay of whatever agenda is desired on top of the ancient texts. If this is intellectually valid so is the “prosperity gospel”.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
11. Who says religious reformations need to be intellectually valid?
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 12:11 PM
Sep 2018

People go to church for emotional reasons. But if your church makes you feel like crap because you don't hate homosexuals or love rich people, then you might just start your own.

MineralMan

(147,578 posts)
12. And so many have that there are literally thousands of Christian denominations.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 12:55 PM
Sep 2018

Already. Most are tiny, have few members and virtually no influence on anything. There's no new Gospel - just a slightly different way of looking at the old one.

I have an idea. Let's throw the entire God concept out the window and start all over with how people treat other people.

We don't need a religious "reformation." We need a religious defenestration.

Jesus is no longer relevant, since nobody pays any attention to his supposed message any more. Let's just start with the message and leave all of the god stuff out.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
13. Some people seem to need a god
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 01:13 PM
Sep 2018

Their need doesn't go away just because other people think it is no longer relevant.

MineralMan

(147,578 posts)
14. Well, there are plenty of them from which to choose,
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 01:16 PM
Sep 2018

as well as preachers to tell you about them.

I'm not stupid. I know religion's not going away. I just wish it would. So far, it hasn't done much to make people kind to one another. And that's what we need.

But, people will do what people do. More's the pity.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
15. I don't have a problem with liberal religion like in the OP
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 07:03 AM
Sep 2018

I have a problem with conservative religion when they want everyone to do it their way or think you have to be a Christian to be moral.

Cartoonist

(7,531 posts)
6. I guess that means all the current ones are no good.
Sat Sep 22, 2018, 12:52 PM
Sep 2018

That's what I've been saying. The basic premise is what's wrong. Try starting from reality.

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