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From the article:
Muhammads first wife, Khadijah,...... already a mother of three, and a successful merchant. With more caravans than all the other Quraysh traders put together, she led a wealthy, independent lifestyle, refusing many offers of marriage from wealthy men, and chose the penniless Muhammad for her new husband.
This was remarkable at a time when most women were treated like property and barely had any rights at all until the advent of Islam. The very fact that the Prophet of Islam was chosen by such a unique woman, and felt honoured to take her hand, is of extreme importance the Quran was given to a man who honoured and respected the feminine more than any other man of his time. How fitting, since the Quran granted women unheard of rights, like the right to divorce and inherit property, and could have set in motion an evolving womens emancipation if Muslims had been awake to its message. Sadly, in the centuries after Muhammad and Khadijah, the possibility of womens emancipation was inevitably sidelined by the patriarchal establishment that hijacked Islam. In our time however, we can reconnect with this great heroine and appreciate her and the feminine strength she manifested in the way that she and Muhammad would have wished.
To read more:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/livingtradition/2017/05/feminine-power-supporting-prophets/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Muslim&utm_content=49
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Stargleamer
(2,208 posts)when she was 9, (40 years his junior) is such a feminist thing to do.
Also, the parts of the Koran dealing with women's testimony counting for so much less, is right up there too.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Stargleamer
(2,208 posts)"the Koran granted women unheard of rights"--it whitewashes how the Koran said men could beat their wives. Not much rights given there, when you're beaten down.
I'm supposed to be impressed by this?? Women's lives were still restricted, what the article extols is just how some of Muhammad's wives were able to do some stuff within narrow confinement. like help on missionary work or whatever. One who genuinely is supposed to love women as the article proclaims would have tried to do a lot more than that.
Also one of his wives was 6 years old!!! How is this loving women? On what planet???
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)MineralMan
(147,578 posts)Of all the major religions, Islam offers the least freedom and agency to women. Not a great track record, nor a great example from our OP, I think.
Voltaire2
(14,715 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)And thus missed the point of the article.
and the author doesn't understand the hypocrisy of talking about Feminism and a man with nine wives, including a child.
At least he admits the majority of Muslims, today and through history disagree with him about the Quran.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)your Abrahamic religions are "pro-women" is to note the women who SUPPORT all your male prophets.
In other words, you are celebrating women being relegated to a secondary, supporting role.
Why didn't Jesus have a single female disciple? Why didn't Mohammed name a female successor?
I guess strong women are OK only when they support men. That's what you choose to celebrate. Pardon me if I don't think that's particularly noble.
MineralMan
(147,578 posts)I read it. Apologetics don't cut it. All one need do is look at the plight of the modern Muslim woman to see that this is just a puff piece that chooses only positive stories to tell, out of all the rest.
Surely you can find better material somewhere...
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)MineralMan
(147,578 posts)don't notice what is contradictory when quoting such things. That's always amusing.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Nope. If it seems patriarchal, it's probably because it was written by, and thereby reflects, the sexual ideals of 7th century Arabian men.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)MineralMan
(147,578 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Mohammed married an independent successful woman under pre-Islamic conditions, which means women did have some rights at that time. Then it laments the loss of women's rights under Islam.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)A passing mention is given to Aishah. The author says she's strong and her story "well known", but beyond that doesn't elaborate.
That's because Aishah was six or seven when she was betrothed to Muhammad, and that shit really doesn't jive with the author's schtick.
Voltaire2
(14,715 posts)second class citizens, effectively minors, their legal rights controlled by a male guardian, either their husband or a male relative.
The title of the article itself unintentionally illustrates just how deeply embedded misogyny is within Islam.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)Or at least the resurgence of it, brought to you by the forces of fundamentalism. Prior to that many Islamic countries were pretty progressive as far as women's rights were concerned. Meanwhile right here in the US fundamentalism is turning back the clock on not just women's rights, but pretty much all human rights. Nevertheless we must believe more organized religion must be a good thing.
MineralMan
(147,578 posts)Old fundamentalist men.
Voltaire2
(14,715 posts)secular and were part of the pan Arabist nationalist movement that fought colonialism and promoted modernity and socialism. That all fell apart in the 70s and 80s, creating an opening for resurgent Islamic fundamentalism.
The more power religion has in society is almost universally correlated with a proportional decrease in the status of women.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)So while the idea of separating church and state might seem plausible, in reality it never is.