Religion
Related: About this forumOne view on theism, two different reactions:
In the first quote, we have a man who, while progressive in his political opinions, hurts the feelings of the privileged majority. Because he's an atheist, this provokes an immediate libelous allegation of intolerance from the privileged majority who doesn't really care to understand what he's saying or what he actually is condemning.
The quote:
Bertrand Russell
In the second set of two quotes, we have a man who says virtually the exact same things except with even stronger condemnations of certain behaviors, yet somehow manages not to hurt the feelings of the privileged majority. One has to wonder if it's because he never declared himself as an atheist.
The quotes:
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can change this for me.
- Albert Einstein
My view is that theists tend to look for validation of their beliefs or for condemnation of non-believers before they consider what's actually being said. So what does it mean when you get one reaction from a declared atheist and another from one who makes no such declarations? While intolerance may be the inevitable outcome, this in and of itself isn't an example of intolerance, even after they insult and slander non-believers. It just means they are simply a slave to their emotions and allow them to trump their rational thought processes.
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MineralMan
(148,424 posts)bolster your position. You don't look for other texts that don't. That wouldn't be prudent.
Of course, if you find your proof texts somewhere all ready for use, you don't have to look any further. That happens a lot, too.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Einstein's quote is couched more in terms of HIS personal beliefs. Yes they would apply equally to others, but Brand points the finger outward. A subtle distinction, but maybe Atheists would benefit from taking the personal approach more often. "i believe it would be foolish of me to believe in a God" is more palatable than "you are a fool because you believe in a God" (and less rude).
See, I don't at all care what others believe, only what they do. But if someone were to point their finger at me and call me contmptable for what I believe, I'm probably going to feel a little hostile.
Major Nikon
(36,917 posts)He very clearly points outward, which you should note from the emphasized text.
I suspect neither would be openly hostile towards theism, were it not for the far greater hostility received from believers on a biblical scale. Words might sometimes feel hurtful even when they reflect reality, but by themselves don't deny people basic human rights.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)It undermines what you think you have proven here.
Name calling generally does not lead to dialogue. The name caller is trying to shut down dialogue. So when Russel was employing a brutal ad hominem attack, he was "speaking to the choir", as it were. He was not engaging in dialogue at all.
MineralMan
(148,424 posts)It is Bertrand Russell in the first quote. Albert Einstein was the source of the others. Perhaps you're conflating Bertrand Russell with Russell Brand. They could not be more dissimilar, really.
Mariana
(15,298 posts)From the OP: "Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.
Whose feeble souls do you suppose he meant? Whose ridiculous egotisms?