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MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 08:16 PM Nov 2018

Reciprocity is the single key that unlocks ethical behavior.

Hillel, when asked by a prospective convert to Judaism to teach him the whole Torah while he stood on one leg, replied: “That which is hateful unto you do not do to your neighbor. This is the whole of the Torah, The rest is commentary. Go forth and study.”

It is all that is needed for the reasonable person to behave well. It is truly common sense. Perhaps that one principle, if taught from birth, could replace all need for religion. So I believe, anyhow.

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Reciprocity is the single key that unlocks ethical behavior. (Original Post) MineralMan Nov 2018 OP
It is the key, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #1
If you think not, try thinking for a change. MineralMan Nov 2018 #2
What you really mean is: guillaumeb Nov 2018 #10
Do not presume to tell me what I mean, Guy. MineralMan Nov 2018 #11
We can all see what you write, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #12
You can see what I read? MineralMan Nov 2018 #13
Updated, and thank you. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #14
True, some people require an imaginary fanbase for validation Major Nikon Nov 2018 #7
cant have an all powerful priest class and bigoted masses with that kind of thinking nt msongs Nov 2018 #3
The very idea, I think. MineralMan Nov 2018 #4
Such an idea could never replace religion thbobby Nov 2018 #5
Well, it hasn't been tested. MineralMan Nov 2018 #6
Also how else are you going to guilt people into control? Major Nikon Nov 2018 #8
Only offerings of money can remove the shame and humiliation. MineralMan Nov 2018 #9
This: guillaumeb Nov 2018 #15
There's a saying. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2018 #17
You've been married 5 times, maybe it's you Major Nikon Nov 2018 #18
That's no substitute for religion. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2018 #16
Speaking of reciprocity, there is this example: guillaumeb Nov 2018 #19
What, pray tell, does that have to do with me, Guy? MineralMan Nov 2018 #21
But you're an atheist, MineralMan. Mariana Nov 2018 #23
You're right, of course. MineralMan Nov 2018 #24
Straw man fallacy in evidence. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #26
No, an affirmation of your observation. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #25
And, from the same thread, same poster: guillaumeb Nov 2018 #20
Again, why are you using someone else's words to question me? MineralMan Nov 2018 #22
I am agreeing with you that reciprocity is needed. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #27
If only it were that Snackshack Nov 2018 #28

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
11. Do not presume to tell me what I mean, Guy.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:44 PM
Nov 2018

That is exceedingly rude. I mean precisely what I write. Read it again,please.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
12. We can all see what you write,
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:47 PM
Nov 2018

Last edited Sat Nov 24, 2018, 08:24 PM - Edit history (1)

and your various comments to those who disagree with your analyses.

And speaking of rudeness is interesting, in light of your many comments. Your record is clear.

Edited the title.

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)
7. True, some people require an imaginary fanbase for validation
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 01:34 PM
Nov 2018

So there's that I suppose. Still seems a bit of a stretch to quantify it as a need. Seems more like a pacifier for childlike insecurity.

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
4. The very idea, I think.
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 08:27 PM
Nov 2018

Sounds like a plan. Oddly enough, Hillel the Elder was a contemporary of historical Jesus. Fascinating, actually.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
5. Such an idea could never replace religion
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 08:45 PM
Nov 2018

How can evangelicals preach hatred on such a noble idea? Religion must foster hatred to be of value to many so-called evangelicals or even Christians.

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
6. Well, it hasn't been tested.
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 08:57 PM
Nov 2018

I'd welcome such a test. However, the current situation makes that impossible, I think. A pity.

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
9. Only offerings of money can remove the shame and humiliation.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 01:45 PM
Nov 2018

Or, in some cases, having sex with the priest. That can work, but only in some cases.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
17. There's a saying.
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 09:06 AM
Nov 2018

If you run into a single asshole, the problem is probably them. If everyone you run into is an asshole, the problem is probably you.

Mull it over.

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)
18. You've been married 5 times, maybe it's you
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 11:51 AM
Nov 2018

Self-reflection is a problem with everyone, but some suck at it harder.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
16. That's no substitute for religion.
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 09:04 AM
Nov 2018

Because people don't flock to religion for the ethical behavior it allegedly provides.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
19. Speaking of reciprocity, there is this example:
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 09:27 PM
Nov 2018
Lordquinton (7,132 posts)
141. I backed up my claims

and appropriately attributed my quotes. You did not, and you attempted to deceive in your OP.

So I'll go with intellectual dishonesty to answer my question in the other thread.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=298357

Just one example of many here.

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
21. What, pray tell, does that have to do with me, Guy?
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:09 AM
Nov 2018

Speaking of irrelevancy...I am MineralMan, not anyone else. Non sequitur.

Mariana

(14,965 posts)
23. But you're an atheist, MineralMan.
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:26 AM
Nov 2018

This isn't the first time he has done this. Gil seems to think we're all exactly the same, interchangeable, and we have a hive mind, like the Borg. We aren't individual discrete human beings at all, you see. If some other atheist wrote a thing that Gil doesn't like, he considers you to be responsible for it, and as you see, he expect you to answer for it. It's very strange.

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
24. You're right, of course.
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:33 AM
Nov 2018

From time to time, I try to remind him that we are not all the same people, nor do we hold the same ideas. Atheism is really the only thing we have in common, and it's a minor aspect of our individual philosophies and mindsets.

Repetition of that simple fact may not be enough, but it's really all we can do as individuals. Still, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning process that individual uses. They wouldn't work for me, though. It's easy enough to see the differences between people who post in this Group.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
20. And, from the same thread, same poster:
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 09:30 PM
Nov 2018
Lordquinton (7,132 posts)
154. Speaking of lieing, I never said you did

Now for the quote you cherry picked:


MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
22. Again, why are you using someone else's words to question me?
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:36 AM
Nov 2018

I did not write those words. Please take it up with their author. I cannot help you.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
27. I am agreeing with you that reciprocity is needed.
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 04:00 PM
Nov 2018

And re-affirming that insults are intended to attack dialogue.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
28. If only it were that
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 04:27 PM
Nov 2018

Simple...but even then there would be those who felt their way of “do unto others...” was better than anothers way of “do unto others...” thus a need to impose upon them.

This is a generational thing and maybe a future generation will get there depending on what’s left. On the whole we are doing better...it was not that long ago that Trial by Ordeal was the method of reciprocated justice.

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