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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 11:00 AM Jan 2019

Catholics want New York's Gov. Cuomo to be excommunicated for his abortion policy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/01/25/catholics-want-gov-cuomo-be-excommunicated-his-abortion-policy/

After New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo signed into law Tuesday one of the most expansive abortion rights bills in U.S. history, some prominent Catholics have urged Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York to declare Cuomo excommunicated.

It is clear that the governor’s work to pass New York’s Reproductive Health Act is at odds with the Catholic Church’s well-known opposition to abortion, rooted in the belief that the unborn child is a person deserving of protection.

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Catholics calling for Cuomo’s excommunication seem mostly to be looking for an affirmation from bishops that a Catholic in good standing cannot support or facilitate legal protections for abortion. Many want to see action, not just rhetoric, in response to New York’s new law, and Cuomo’s excommunication would seem like a step in that direction. And some hope Cuomo will be rebuked for his own sake, as a call to conversion — a reminder that from the Catholic perspective, the governor’s final judge won’t be Dolan or the pope, but God.

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Though Pope Francis is often perceived as a social liberal, he has not altered the church’s course on opposition to abortion. During his 2015 address to Congress, the pope exhorted lawmakers to “protect and defend human life at every stage of its development.” The pope has called abortion “genocide” and compared it to “hiring a hit man to resolve a problem.”
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Catholics want New York's Gov. Cuomo to be excommunicated for his abortion policy (Original Post) trotsky Jan 2019 OP
Big deal. Have at it. yankeepants Jan 2019 #1
and the patriarchy continues it's worship of "sacred sperm" Raster Jan 2019 #2
Seems to be me we've done a 180 since JFK. marylandblue Jan 2019 #3
Far from the first time since JFK Major Nikon Jan 2019 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Jake Stern Jan 2019 #4
Gotta go with George Carlin on this one. Jake Stern Jan 2019 #5
Contradiction. Prosper Jan 2019 #6
They won't do it. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #7
Tooth Fairy Is Vewy Angry! Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #8
Things they will excommunicate for: Lordquinton Jan 2019 #10

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
3. Seems to be me we've done a 180 since JFK.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 11:09 AM
Jan 2019

JFK alleviated Protestant fear of Catholics by promising not to obey Rome. Now Protestants and Catholics want him to obey Rome.

Response to trotsky (Original post)

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
5. Gotta go with George Carlin on this one.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 11:50 AM
Jan 2019

"And speaking of my friends the Catholics, when John Cardinal O'Connor of New York and some of these other Cardinals and Bishops have experienced their first pregnancies and their first labor pains and they've raised a couple of children on minimum wage, then I'll be glad to hear what they have to say about abortion. I'm sure it'll be interesting. Enlightening, too."

Prosper

(761 posts)
6. Contradiction.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 11:51 AM
Jan 2019

Calling for Cuomo's excommunication highlights a glaring contradiction and problem. Abortion and birth control are both mortal sins in the eyes of the Catholic church. From Wahington Post:

"Birth-control is widely used even by Catholics: 98 percent of American Catholic women have used contraception in their lifetimes."*

Are the people calling for Cuomo's excommunication prepared to call for the excommunication of most Catholic women and their sex partners.

Birth control and abortion are both mortal sins. Just a guess on my part but I'll bet more births are prevented by birth control than by abortion. Masturbation is also a mortal sin just like abortion and birth control and I'll bet it prevents more births than the combination of abortion and birth control.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-claim-that-98-percent-of-catholic-women-use-contraception-a-media-foul/2012/02/16/gIQAkPeqIR_blog.html?utm_term=.9ca6020b7fe7

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
7. They won't do it.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 12:04 PM
Jan 2019

Not out of any sense of decency, of course. It just doesn't make any sense to excommunicate a guy you can leverage on a dozen other issues. They're not going to toss away the devil they know just because the president of the Orange County Bingo Club likes to taddle.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
10. Things they will excommunicate for:
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 04:55 PM
Jan 2019

Protecting women's rights.
Being Gay.

Things they won't excommunicate for:
Raping children.

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