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DetlefK

(16,455 posts) Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:22 PM Jan 2019

Pascal's Wager

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager

The Wager uses the following logic (excerpts from Pensées, part III, §233):

God is, or God is not. Reason cannot decide between the two alternatives.

A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up.

You must wager (it is not optional).

Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.

Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.

But some cannot believe. They should then 'at least learn your inability to believe...' and 'Endeavour then to convince' themselves.

Let's see how Pascal's Wager changes when we add the information that there is not one religion but multiple religions.

God is, or God is not. Reason cannot decide between the two alternatives. (From a mathematical/philosophical point of view, this is correct. As we cannot define God, we cannot reason whether he exists or not.)

A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up.

You must wager (it is not optional).

Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that you choose to worship the correct God. Let us estimate these two chances. If you choose correctly, you receive whatever reward religion bestows upon a faithful believer. If you choose incorrectly, you receive whatever punishment religion bestows upon the heathen and heretic.

Wager, then, without hesitation to not worship Him at all. There is an infinity of possible Gods to worship but the number of Gods you worship is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is infinitely many ways to err and be punished and finite ways to choose correctly and be rewarded.

But some prefer to believe. They should then 'at least learn your ability to reason...' and 'Endeavour then to convince' themselves.

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Pascal's Wager (Original Post) DetlefK Jan 2019 OP

There is no spoon. (NT) NeoGreen Jan 2019 #1

It's always been childish reasoning at best Major Nikon Jan 2019 #2

This argument also works to sell most any complete fraud unblock Jan 2019 #3

Any Christian who tries to use Pascal's Wager needs to ask themselves... trotsky Jan 2019 #4

Expanded to include a lot of other religions: SeattleVet Jan 2019 #5

Did Pascal offer odds? brooklynite Jan 2019 #6

Of all the various forms of apologia... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #7

NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)

1. There is no spoon. (NT)

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:24 PM

Jan 2019

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)

2. It's always been childish reasoning at best

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:46 PM

Jan 2019

Regardless of what you stand to win or lose, the premise becomes no more true or false. It's really no different than the wager religionists have been making for several millennia. The condition for the promised unverifiable reward relies primarily on the belief that the reward exists. A fool's bet if there ever was one.

unblock

(54,151 posts)

3. This argument also works to sell most any complete fraud

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 01:09 PM

Jan 2019

The mere pittance of money you part with is nothing compared to the myriad benefits of this balm, the salve, this potion!

An argument based solely on the purported payoffs is a sucker's argument.