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guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:17 PM Jan 2019

In polarized Washington, a Democrat anchors bipartisan friendships in faith

From the article:

Part of his secret, it seems, is religion. Over the course of multiple interviews with Religion News Service, Coons, who grew up attending Red Clay Creek Presbyterian Church in Hockessin, Del., explained that his faith has not only provided grounding for his own life but has also emerged as a point of connection with Republicans, with whom he has forged lasting relationships — and legislation....

“This is what interests me more than almost anything that I’ve done in public life,” Coons said, referring to the intersection of religion and politics....

“Christian nationalism, understood as a view that God created and inspired the United States to be the nation on earth that is meant to be a Christian democracy and to carry forth Christ’s vision for the world … that is in profound tension with our founding as a pluralistic, multifaith, multiethnic, multilingual democracy, which in its founding documents recognizes a creator and recognizes natural rights but expressively declines to create a state religion, and to align … powers of the state with any particular faith,” he said.


To read more:

https://religionnews.com/2019/01/29/in-polarized-washington-a-democrat-anchors-bipartisan-friendships-in-faith/
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In polarized Washington, a Democrat anchors bipartisan friendships in faith (Original Post) guillaumeb Jan 2019 OP
No offense, but when I read this, it infuriated me. 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2019 #1
I think Coons is interested in building bridges, not walls. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #2
I have zero interest with any bridge that connects MineralMan Jan 2019 #5
A bizarre viewpoint. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #6
Not bizarre at all, given the current obstructionism among Republicans. MineralMan Jan 2019 #7
My observation remains. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #8
Oh, bother. MineralMan Jan 2019 #9
I am still focused on your position, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #10
.. MineralMan Jan 2019 #11
Much better. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #12
"your view is fine for a discussion board, but useless in practice" trotsky Jan 2019 #13
Savaging me is impossible. MineralMan Jan 2019 #14
Certainly not when someone like guillaumeb is trying. trotsky Jan 2019 #15
Yes, and I do appreciate that. MineralMan Jan 2019 #16
Yes, the "savaging" accusation. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #19
Yes, that one. trotsky Feb 2019 #32
"Savaging you"? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #18
I didn't claim that. MineralMan Jan 2019 #21
Here: guillaumeb Jan 2019 #22
Oh, wow! MineralMan Jan 2019 #23
Yes, the position is fine here. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #17
Then why do you berate others for doing exactly what you do? trotsky Feb 2019 #31
Yes, your approach to dialogue. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #37
So G? Bretton Garcia Feb 2019 #55
And what do you infer from that? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #64
My thought is that we live our lives as example WhiteTara Feb 2019 #80
I do not pray here. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #82
Sounds dualistic WhiteTara Feb 2019 #83
Bridges and walls? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #89
"Bridges or walls" Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #84
A wall made of sandwiches? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #90
That's rigid binary thinking. trotsky Feb 2019 #85
Some use analogies for enlightenment Major Nikon Feb 2019 #86
Remember, this is the same guy who expects sympathy on DU for a TRUMP SUPPORTER... trotsky Feb 2019 #87
Yeah, wants to "build bridges" to religious wingnuts who are the farthest to the right... Major Nikon Feb 2019 #88
Only you can control your behavior, gil. trotsky Feb 2019 #81
Gil didn't answer this, but I think it's a good question, so I'll answer. marylandblue Feb 2019 #35
I like tacos. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #30
This is very important: guillaumeb Feb 2019 #36
I spent a number of years in San Diego... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #46
I first tried mahi tuna tacos in LA. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #48
It's nauseating horseshit. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #3
+ 1 3Hotdogs Jan 2019 #4
Compromise is a deadly sin? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #20
Obama spent 8 years desperately trying to Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #24
Yes, he did. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #25
Stop. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #26
Okay, tell them to stop. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #27
Who Pelosi? She doesn't need my advice. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #28
What just got done, Guy? The shutdown ended, and Trump's MineralMan Feb 2019 #33
Your reasoning is flawed. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #38
You have convinced yourself of that. MineralMan Feb 2019 #39
Explanation is truly pointless in the face of guillaumeb Feb 2019 #40
LOL! MineralMan Feb 2019 #41
Yes, you do. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #42
Giving cover to Trump is nauseating horseshit muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #29
I didn't see anything in the article where Coons compromised with Trump marylandblue Feb 2019 #34
Having a personal connection with Trump is compromising with him muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #45
You must have seen a different ad than me, because marylandblue Feb 2019 #49
Trump as a "reasonable person"? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #43
OK, since it takes up more than 4 paragraphs, I'll give it as sections. muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #44
It says nothing about Trump being a reasonable person, guillaumeb Feb 2019 #47
"remind himself that Trump is a child of God." marylandblue Feb 2019 #50
Why was Coons at a Trump signing ceremony? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #51
No it's totally different. marylandblue Feb 2019 #52
Not when he turns up to support Trump's photo ops, it isn't muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #53
It was a bipartisan anti-human trafficking bill marylandblue Feb 2019 #54
The legislation that drove sex workers Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #56
So your contention is that online sex workers are necessarily free from pimps? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #59
No. That driving the sex trade offline Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #60
Again, a contention with no proof. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #61
Seriously? Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #62
And the various stories about online pimps? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #63
Bring the evidence that this bill has Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #65
Pimps know about the internet. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #66
Bring the evidence that this law has reduced Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #67
Not necesary. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #68
As usual. Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #70
He was with trump at a signing of FOTSA? Lordquinton Feb 2019 #69
The particular event used to gin up the moral outrage was the raid on "backpage". Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #71
A prime example of using religion to oppress people Lordquinton Feb 2019 #77
I believe you are talking about FOSTA or SESTA, which is a different bill marylandblue Feb 2019 #78
See my current signature for what turning up to his photo-ops is like muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #76
It is not normalizing Trump. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #58
resist. Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #72
Resist is a good slogan. Short, and dramatic. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #74
Going to a photo-op for him is normalizing him muriel_volestrangler Feb 2019 #73
lock him up. Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #75
I looked at Coons Facebook page, he has a lot of criticism for Trump marylandblue Feb 2019 #79

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,877 posts)
1. No offense, but when I read this, it infuriated me.
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:24 PM
Jan 2019

Coons is delusional if he really thinks Trump gives the teeniest tiniest shit about their shared Presbyterianism. And it's delusions like his that let heartless venal predators like Trump continue their reigns of terror.

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
7. Not bizarre at all, given the current obstructionism among Republicans.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 12:35 PM
Jan 2019

I have seen no sign of that changing, either.

On a personal level, i know many Republicans. On a political level, I have nothing to do with them.

Which republican politicians do you trust, guillaumeb? Do tell.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
8. My observation remains.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 12:38 PM
Jan 2019

And is valid.

It is fine to claim that you have personal relationships, but politicians at all levels must have personal and professional relationships.

So you can hold to your own views but if Democratic politicians held the same views there would literally be no progress.

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
9. Oh, bother.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 12:50 PM
Jan 2019

Did you think I cared what you thought about my position? How odd.

You still did not answer my question about Republicans you trust. I wonder why that is?

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
10. I am still focused on your position,
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 01:19 PM
Jan 2019

which I find to be unrealistic. Use the logic that you write so often about, and apply logic to your position that you want nothing to do with GOP politicians.

If you refuse to engage with GOP politicians, it affects no one. But if Democratic politicians applied that same reasoning, there would literally be no dialogue.


Again, your view is fine for a discussion board, but useless in practice.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
13. "your view is fine for a discussion board, but useless in practice"
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 03:55 PM
Jan 2019

So, kinda like how you feel about requiring priests to report child abuse incidents they learn in the confessional booth.

Your position - that you're "unsure" but that there are good arguments on both sides - is utterly useless in practice, but that's OK for you. You'll savage someone like MineralMan, though. FFS gil.

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
14. Savaging me is impossible.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 03:59 PM
Jan 2019

It has been tried many times in the past. I remain here.

I just use my two dots.

..

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
15. Certainly not when someone like guillaumeb is trying.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 04:08 PM
Jan 2019

I just find it helpful to remind anyone else reading the level of hypocrisy involved when he makes an attempt.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
19. Yes, the "savaging" accusation.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:17 PM
Jan 2019

The word does not mean what you think it does. That I disagree with EMM's position, and find it unrealistic, is my view, and it is one that is shared by Pelosi and Coons.

But on this discussion board, we are free to say that we would never reach out.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
18. "Savaging you"?
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:13 PM
Jan 2019

What a massive use of hyperbole.

What I did was use your own reply, one you use so frequently when addressing theists.

So if you disagree with Pelosi and Coons, that is your right. But they must work with others, and you are a commenter and critic.

Edited to add:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218307010

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
21. I didn't claim that.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:24 PM
Jan 2019

You have replied to the wrong post.

Someone else used that word. You are not capable of "savaging" me, or anyone else, for that matter.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
22. Here:
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:33 PM
Jan 2019
MineralMan (116,611 posts)
14. Savaging me is impossible.

It has been tried many times in the past. I remain here.

I just use my two dots


And again, you revert to type with yet another insult designed to do something.


You did not reject the hyperbole.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
17. Yes, the position is fine here.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:11 PM
Jan 2019

But, as Pelosi and Coons both know, reality requires working with the opposition.

Response to guillaumeb (Reply #57)

WhiteTara

(30,128 posts)
80. My thought is that we live our lives as example
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 08:35 PM
Feb 2019

and others come to us as they choose. Building bridges doesn't mean using a battering ram to get the other side to accept the bridge.

There is a Buddhist saying that the flapping of a butterflies wings can set off a tsunami on the other side of the world. You can effect change by being the change. Honey and vinegar and all that.

And too, somewhere in the bible I remember something about praying to God in secret that God might hear you. Oh, but that would defeat the whole purpose of this group, wouldn't it?

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
82. I do not pray here.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 05:47 PM
Feb 2019

As to the purpose of this group, each poster defines that purpose as they see it.

But in my view, we can build bridges or walls.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
84. "Bridges or walls"
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 08:38 AM
Feb 2019

Why are these the only two options in your view? Can we not build screen doors, hoagies, and submarines, too?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
87. Remember, this is the same guy who expects sympathy on DU for a TRUMP SUPPORTER...
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 10:31 AM
Feb 2019

who was kicked out of Boston Atheists, and wants to portray that situation as an example of intolerance by atheists comparable to Christians denying birth control coverage to employees, or opposing same-sex relationships.

The same guy who personally thinks abortion is murder.

The same guy who is "unsure" whether a priest who learns about child abuse should be required to report it.

This same guy is admonishing anyone who doesn't want to work with the people who agree with him on all of those issues.

Pretty fucking ridiculous if you ask me.

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)
88. Yeah, wants to "build bridges" to religious wingnuts who are the farthest to the right...
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 10:54 AM
Feb 2019

Yet posts endless diatribes against atheists who vote reliably D at about the same rate evangelicals reliably vote R.

Very telling that.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
81. Only you can control your behavior, gil.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:51 AM
Feb 2019

Dispensing "eye for an eye" justice on those you feel deserve it doesn't seem very Christian.

But what would I know, right? You go and do all the nasty stuff you want. I'm gonna be here to call you out, though.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
35. Gil didn't answer this, but I think it's a good question, so I'll answer.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:26 PM
Feb 2019

I think McConnell is not trustworthy, which has caused a lot of the dysfunction in the Senate. I think Lisa Murkowski is trustworthy. I think Richard Burr may be somewhat trustworthy. He has played the sort of games that Nunes did in the House.

But trustworthy aside, at some point in the future, McConnell will be gone, hopefully Democrats will be in charge again, and we will need to start repairing our country. The real damage Trump has done is destroy the norms that a functioning political system needs to operate. To undo the damage, we will need to re-establish the norms and that means reaching across the aisle.

I don't know if that will actually work, and I don't think we should compromise for compromise's sake, but we'd be better off if we could make it work. Personal relationships in Congress will help that. I am sure there are other personal relationships in Congress that aren't based on religion.

Coon's relationship with Trump is only tangentially about religion, because Trump really isn't religious. It seems more about Coon's friendly and open personality than religion. But it being Religion News, they had to play up the religious angle.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
30. I like tacos.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:20 AM
Feb 2019

I'm sure there's a GOP voter out there who likes tacos, too.

I, however, don't tacitly or explicitly approve of separating familes at the border... so that taco thing seems kind of meaningless by comparison, doesn't it?

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
46. I spent a number of years in San Diego...
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:07 AM
Feb 2019

...so if I had to choose between the two, I would obviously go for the grilled mahi fish taco.

That being said, my tastes trend towards land mammals. Carne asada are my favorite, followed by carnitas and chorizo. Chicken belongs in fajitas and enchiladas, but not tacos.

Voltaire2

(14,632 posts)
24. Obama spent 8 years desperately trying to
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 07:34 PM
Jan 2019

find a reasonable common ground with a gaggle of insane neo-nazi jeebus spouting hate mongering nut jobs.

How did that work out?

Donald.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
25. Yes, he did.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 07:37 PM
Jan 2019

We both know that. But Coons and Pelosi also know that.

So, if they asked, what would you advise them to do?

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
27. Okay, tell them to stop.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 07:47 PM
Jan 2019

And if they ask, "but what specifically should we do?", would you say to do nothing?

The GOP controls the Senate. The White House is controlled by Putin.

So what would get done over the next 20 months?

Voltaire2

(14,632 posts)
28. Who Pelosi? She doesn't need my advice.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 08:40 PM
Jan 2019

“While Democrats are negotiating in good faith to prevent another disastrous #TrumpShutdown that cost our economy $11 billion, Trump is laying the groundwork to declare a “national emergency” that even Republicans don’t want.”

https://mobile.twitter.com/teampelosi/status/1091141570567593985

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
33. What just got done, Guy? The shutdown ended, and Trump's
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 01:40 PM
Feb 2019

not getting his damned wall, no matter how much he pouts nor how strong a tantrum he throws.

Nancy Pelosi is not giving in to Republicans. Just the opposite. She is telling them they need to back down and start cooperating with her. It has zero to do with religion.

She is not going to make nice with the Republicans who have brought this nation to a standstill. Instead, she's going to point out their errors and show them what needs to be done. If they bend in her direction, she'll take their votes. If they do not, she and the rest of us will take their seats in 2020.

You have chosen a bad example in Nancy Pelosi. She is as tough as nails and is not going to give an inch on important issues.

The example you provided in your OP is also flawed. The article promotes going along with Trump. That will not happen. The time for that passed when Nancy Pelosi became Speaker again. Rethink, Guy. You're wrong. Dead wrong.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,372 posts)
29. Giving cover to Trump is nauseating horseshit
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:11 AM
Feb 2019

And yes, we're telling Coons that. If you read that article in the OP, Trump comes out of it as a reasonable person. That's a lie, and Coons is enabling it.

Think back to the Gillette ad; Coons is one of the people it's aimed at - those who can look at Trump, shake their heads, and say "Christians will be Christians". Christians must not be like Trump. No, don't compromise with Trump.

And I see nothing from Pelosi saying it's OK to compromise with Trump.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
34. I didn't see anything in the article where Coons compromised with Trump
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:10 PM
Feb 2019

All I saw was that Coons had a personal connection with Trump, but disagreed with him on political issues. I didn't see any actual compromises mentioned, except about a minor appropriations bill and not involving Trump. It also said, that he
"Prays for Trump," which I took as a subtle dig. It's something that my Christians friends have told me after I tell them I'm never going to be a Christian.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,372 posts)
45. Having a personal connection with Trump is compromising with him
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 03:19 AM
Feb 2019

It pretends that he is a decent human being. It makes excuses for his life. I really do mean it about the Gillette advert - it's our human duty to call out the worst of humanity, and that is Trump. Those who tolerate his behaviour and attitude are enabling him.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
49. You must have seen a different ad than me, because
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:54 PM
Feb 2019

I don't recall it saying that you should have no personal connection at all with people who do bad things.

I've had personal and professional connections with some pretty awful people, some were the dregs of humanity. It's really not about excusing bad behavior or anything like that. It's just not that simple.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,372 posts)
44. OK, since it takes up more than 4 paragraphs, I'll give it as sections.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 03:15 AM
Feb 2019

From "President Trump doesn’t have a lot of nice things to say about Democrats these days. Well, except Sen. Chris Coons" to "The president then looked over his shoulder at the smiling senator: “We pray together, right? That’s a good step.”"

And from "remind himself that Trump is “a child of God.”" to "“He says, ‘We Presbyterians have got to stick together!’ like we’re some small hunted minority or something,” Coons recalled, laughing."

This is an attempt to normalize Trump.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
47. It says nothing about Trump being a reasonable person,
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:11 PM
Feb 2019

nor does it imply any attempt to normalize Trump's positions.

It does represent one Senator's attempt to reach Trump on a faith level.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
50. "remind himself that Trump is a child of God."
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 01:01 PM
Feb 2019

That's code for someone trying to practice Christian love, you know "love your enemies." There is no exception in there for malignant narcissists.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,372 posts)
51. Why was Coons at a Trump signing ceremony?
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 01:04 PM
Feb 2019

It's normalizing him. It's stupid. It's naive. It's enabling.

And the "child of God" stuff is the "boys will be boys" excuses.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
52. No it's totally different.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 01:11 PM
Feb 2019

"Boys will be boys" is a way of letting men escape real world consequences like jail for rape.

"Child of God" is what prison ministers say when they are volunteering to work with murderers and sociopaths.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,372 posts)
53. Not when he turns up to support Trump's photo ops, it isn't
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 01:13 PM
Feb 2019

He really is letting Trump escape real world consequences.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
54. It was a bipartisan anti-human trafficking bill
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 01:30 PM
Feb 2019

Not some horrible partisan legislation. I really don't see a problem with showing up for something like that. And really, thw real world consequences I'm talking about is criminal prosecution, not a totally unrelated photo-op on something that actually is positive.

Voltaire2

(14,632 posts)
56. The legislation that drove sex workers
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 07:09 AM
Feb 2019

back into the control of pimps by criminalizing all online sex transactions?

Voltaire2

(14,632 posts)
60. No. That driving the sex trade offline
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 12:38 PM
Feb 2019

is causing more exploitation and violence against sex workers.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
61. Again, a contention with no proof.
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 12:42 PM
Feb 2019

In the Chicago area, there have been numerous stories about sex workers who are controlled by pimps who advertise online. The pimp sets up the profiles, and the pimp controls the sex workers. And in a few cases, these sex workers are underaged and runaways.

Voltaire2

(14,632 posts)
62. Seriously?
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 12:51 PM
Feb 2019

Criminalisation of sex work normalises violence, review finds
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/dec/11/criminalisation-of-sex-work-normalises-violence-review-finds

Pimps Are Preying on Sex Workers Pushed Off the Web Because of FOSTA-SESTA
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/bjpqvz/fosta-sesta-sex-work-and-trafficking

The War on Sex Workers Needs to Stop Now
Sex worker and advocate Siouxsie Q on why new legislation will put her community at greater risk for exploitation and death
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-war-on-sex-workers-needs-to-stop-now-628335/



Voltaire2

(14,632 posts)
70. As usual.
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 02:59 PM
Feb 2019

I provided three links that substantiate my argument. You have provided nothing to substantiate yours. That is simply dishonest arguing.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
69. He was with trump at a signing of FOTSA?
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 02:56 PM
Feb 2019

That bill has had disastrous consequences online for not just sex workers, but the LGBTQIA community, and content creators of all types.

In their crusade to seem morally superior they have acted to cause harm to the ones they are claiming to protect. All because of a moral panic appeal to the religious.

Voltaire2

(14,632 posts)
71. The particular event used to gin up the moral outrage was the raid on "backpage".
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 03:01 PM
Feb 2019

And homophobia was explicitly used.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
77. A prime example of using religion to oppress people
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 04:33 PM
Feb 2019

And here it's used as an example of good behaviour.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
78. I believe you are talking about FOSTA or SESTA, which is a different bill
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 05:19 PM
Feb 2019

I think the signing Coons attended was the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act, signed on Jan 9 and as far as I can tell does not mention the internet. Coons sponsored it.

FOSTA already passed around April last year.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,372 posts)
76. See my current signature for what turning up to his photo-ops is like
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 03:13 PM
Feb 2019

It's congratulating one of the worst people in the world for not screwing up something that other people did (because that bill was not crafted by Trump, nor did he do any work to get it through. Of course he didn't - we all know he's a lazy wanker who doesn't care for any other human being).

Trump is damn lucky he hasn't been prosecuted for a variety of crimes. He has been accused of raping his first wife, and of sexual misconduct by 21 other women: https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12?r=US&IR=T

Voltaire2

(14,632 posts)
72. resist.
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 03:04 PM
Feb 2019

Second stolen presidential election this decade. The occupant of the white house is an agent of a hostile foreign government. Trump is an enthusiastic booster of white nationalism, islamophobia, xenophobia. But he claims he loves your christian gods.

Just fuck that.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
74. Resist is a good slogan. Short, and dramatic.
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 03:06 PM
Feb 2019

And in some situations, it is appropriate.

But not in a government with multiple parties.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,372 posts)
73. Going to a photo-op for him is normalizing him
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 03:05 PM
Feb 2019

Notice how no other Democrat was there? That's a slight clue that it wasn't compulsory.

Acknowledging that he's president is something like "not arresting him for his conspiracy with Russians". Or, out of respect for the office, not constantly pointing out he's a piece of shit, using that terminology. Though it would be very helpful if some members of Congress did say that occasionally.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
79. I looked at Coons Facebook page, he has a lot of criticism for Trump
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 05:33 PM
Feb 2019

He has gone on TV to say so too.

I dealt with a malignant narcissist at work once, a character very much like Trump. You probably would not have liked how I dealt with him, even though I did end up getting him fired. You might have thought I "normalized" him too much.

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