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MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:10 AM Feb 2019

The Roman Catholic Church Was the First Dominionist Denomination

of Christianity. More and more people are recognizing dominionism as a danger to America's system of government. Modern day findamentalist Christian dominionists seek to establish the "Dominion of God" as a political system. They're working hard to subvert our current secular system of government and install a Bible-based system of laws.

But, there's nothing new in that. The Roman Catholic Church sought to do that long ago. It actually succeeded in many places at putting the church above political rulers. In the long run, that effort did not succeed, but it was certainly intended to succeed. Religion tends to want to rule over secular political systems. Islam is another example, with fundamental Islamic clergy exerting its strength in many places around the world. In Turkey, for example, the secular state is close to being replaced by an Islamic state, after many years of preserving that secular status.

Fighting dominionism is a key need for those who believe that church and state need a real wall between them. It's a constant battle, really, since religionists always believe they can rule better than democratic forms of government. We must always be aware of attempts to install religious rule.

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The Roman Catholic Church Was the First Dominionist Denomination (Original Post) MineralMan Feb 2019 OP
What people who want to compromise separation of church and state don't get... Girard442 Feb 2019 #1
I think the Roman Catholic Church's time for that has passed. MineralMan Feb 2019 #2
No way. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #7
You are absolutely right. MineralMan Feb 2019 #8
My grandfather said people used to throw rocks at him and his siblings when they walked to school. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #9
The prejudice against Catholics MineralMan Feb 2019 #10
Waaay back in 1796 TwistOneUp Feb 2019 #3
Yes. We mustn't forget that. MineralMan Feb 2019 #6
That phrase was in a treaty. Igel Feb 2019 #11
I am a recovering Catholic for ALL the reasons...... ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2019 #4
And these days, a lot of people are leaving the RCC MineralMan Feb 2019 #5

Girard442

(6,386 posts)
1. What people who want to compromise separation of church and state don't get...
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:16 AM
Feb 2019

...is that the Roman Catholic Church has been putting it's finger into the pies of governments for a long, long time and they are really good at it. Breaking down the wall will principally benefit the RCC; the Evangelicals will get left in the dust.

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
2. I think the Roman Catholic Church's time for that has passed.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:20 AM
Feb 2019

Its influence on political realities has faded greatly. Personally, I think the RCC is doomed by it's own ponderous patriarchal hierarchy and its general and egregious corruption. That does not mean, however, that those who are currently working toward a dominionist goal are not succeeding. The religious right has steadily put people into powerful government positions.

In the Trump administration, that progress has been accelerated. While Donald Trump, in his childish way, may not realize it, others are taking advantage of his massive ignorance and probably dementia to install dominionists wherever possible.

I wish this were discussed more and pointed out more.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
7. No way.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:09 PM
Feb 2019

The RCC depends on the Evangelicals because they don't have that kind of clout anymore. What the Catholics don't seem to realize is once the secularists are out of the way, the Evangelicals will turn on them the first chance they get.

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
8. You are absolutely right.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 01:16 PM
Feb 2019

The Religious Right has long opposed the Roman Catholic Church. It aligns it self with them right now over the LGBTQ, abortion, and contraception issues. However, much of conservative protestantism considers the Roman Catholic Church to be the virtual Antichrist, really.

There has been enmity toward the RCC from Baptists and Pentecostalists from the get-go. They would turn on the RCC the moment they got their way on the issues they have in common.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
9. My grandfather said people used to throw rocks at him and his siblings when they walked to school.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:50 PM
Feb 2019

They called them "catlickers".

When my mother was a kid, grampa wouldn't let her wear orange. I mean, shit. How Irish can you get?

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
10. The prejudice against Catholics
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:58 PM
Feb 2019

was toned down when the Christian Right launched its anti-choice and anti-LGBTQ campaigns. Since the Catholic Church agreed with them on those issues, fundamentalists stopped attacking Roman Catholicism openly to focus on their ugly common goals. Since then, the Christian Right has also adopted the RCC's objections to contraception, too.

However, the deep-seated distrust of everything Catholic has not gone away among conservative Protestants. It is just not being expressed right now, in the name of common cause.

That distrust is still there, however, and will re-emerge, the minute those goals are met or when it becomes clear that they will never be met. The Christian Right's current support for Judaism and Israel is equally temporary, and for similar reasons. Rabid hatred for Islam among the Christian Right has led it to make common cause with Israel on Middle East issues. But, the antisemitism is still there, simmering under the surface.

Fundamentalists are also pragmatists when it comes to their goals. They will align with anyone on a particular issue, but retain their disdain and hatred despite their apparent agreement on a particular issue.

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
3. Waaay back in 1796
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:30 AM
Feb 2019

When the grand Mufti of Libya requested that George Washington visit him, Washington did not refuse. He was asked by the Mufti if, "America is a Christian country?"

Washington replied, "... the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. ..".

See here

The fundagelicals or dominionists, whichever you prefer, have been trying this bullshit for over 220 years. They won't stop until laws are passed prohibiting proselytizing, and then they'll spend all their time and money trying to overturn the anti-proselytizing law(s).

Igel

(36,010 posts)
11. That phrase was in a treaty.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 06:56 PM
Feb 2019

Nobody can say exactly where it came from, because it's lacking, apparently, in the Arabic fair copy.

ProudMNDemocrat

(18,959 posts)
4. I am a recovering Catholic for ALL the reasons......
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:38 AM
Feb 2019

Mineral Man pointed out. It is a Church that refuses to change and function in the 21st century.

I did not leave the Church, the Church LEFT me.

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
5. And these days, a lot of people are leaving the RCC
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:54 AM
Feb 2019

over the child sexual abuse scandal. That number is likely to grow, given new revelations that are appearing all too frequently.

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