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guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:19 PM Feb 2019

Secular saints, folk saints and plain old celebrities

From the article:

On a recent Sunday in church, the officiating priest invited us (as he does every Sunday) to pray. We prayed for those you might call the “usual suspects”: for the bishop, for those in positions of political authority, for the recently departed.
But among those we also prayed for was “Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. – and for all the other saints … ”...

If you’re looking for more politically loaded saints, the online handcraft marketplace Etsy has plenty of sellers hawking “progressive saint” candles depicting St. Barack Obama, St. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Robert Mueller and even “Notorious” Ruth Bader Ginsburg, heralded as the “angel of everlasting dissent.”


To read more:

https://religionnews.com/2019/01/31/secular-saints-folk-saints-and-plain-old-celebrities/
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Secular saints, folk saints and plain old celebrities (Original Post) guillaumeb Feb 2019 OP
I guess by the time you're writing articles for ReligionNews, everything is religious to you. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #1
And to paraphrase the villain from The Incredibles... trotsky Feb 2019 #2
To a man with (only) a hammer ... Bretton Garcia Feb 2019 #3
Tsk, tsk. trotsky Feb 2019 #4
If only we knew what such bridging would look like. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #5
Good thing there was no train on that trestle. MineralMan Feb 2019 #6
Interesting that the 2 of you have the same approach to dialogue. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #9
Is it? MineralMan Feb 2019 #10
Perhaps you are too close to the forest to see the trees. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #11
Or, perhaps, cliches are not useful. MineralMan Feb 2019 #12
And you might want to step farther back and look again. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #13
Do you see yourself as performing well in this particular exchange? Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #18
I see 2 frequent posters engaging in the same behavior, guillaumeb Feb 2019 #20
I think you might consider looking up the definition of the word "parody" Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #22
I disagree. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #23
Of course you do. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #29
You mashed that metaphor. Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #14
Understanding the concept of metaphor isn't all that easy, really. MineralMan Feb 2019 #16
I assumed that you would understand my point. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #21
You assume many things that are incorrect. MineralMan Feb 2019 #24
Do you ever make that mistake? eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #25
Probably. MineralMan Feb 2019 #26
There is hope. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #27
For some, there is hope, at least. MineralMan Feb 2019 #28
Here's "can't see the forest for the trees" in many languages: MineralMan Feb 2019 #17
No matter the language, n'importe quelle langue, guillaumeb Feb 2019 #19
If you step back from the forest it continues to look like a forest until you are so far back Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #30
Your explanation was missent. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #32
Would it really kill you to just give an "Oops, my bad" and move on? trotsky Feb 2019 #33
We all know the bridge isn't important. trotsky Feb 2019 #7
I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do Major Nikon Feb 2019 #15
At most, secular "saints" are probably deliberate religious parody. Bretton Garcia Feb 2019 #8
Jesus is toast? Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #31

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
1. I guess by the time you're writing articles for ReligionNews, everything is religious to you.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 11:09 AM
Feb 2019

Hammers are religious. Sandwiches are religious. My irrational fear of wicker furniture is religious. If writing articles about religion is your thing, it sure helps to have such a deep well from which to draw your inspiration, I guess.

Bretton Garcia

(970 posts)
3. To a man with (only) a hammer ...
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 11:32 AM
Feb 2019

... everything looks like a nail.

Reminds me of some president too. Hammering constantly.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
4. Tsk, tsk.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 11:59 AM
Feb 2019

We're supposed to be building bridges with that president, BG! Guillaumeb is very disappointed that we aren't reaching out more to Republicans.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
9. Interesting that the 2 of you have the same approach to dialogue.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 05:54 PM
Feb 2019

Even to the ".." response that you excel at.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
20. I see 2 frequent posters engaging in the same behavior,
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 12:37 PM
Feb 2019

and obviously both feel that their behavior demonstrates something. What that something might be is another matter.

And you?

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
23. I disagree.
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 12:50 PM
Feb 2019

Unless you feel that they are engaging in self-parody, or that they have no real interest in actual dialogue.

Is that your contention?

Voltaire2

(14,632 posts)
14. You mashed that metaphor.
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 05:30 AM
Feb 2019

the correct phrase is “cannot see the forest for the trees”.

The point is you have to step back from the tree to see that it is part of a larger entity, a forest.

You literally cannot be so close to the forest that you cannot see the tree. The closer you get to the forest the more individual trees you see. Eventually you are so close all you can see is one tree. Which was the point of the metaphor.

Please try again. You need more practice with this metaphor thing.

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
16. Understanding the concept of metaphor isn't all that easy, really.
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 09:23 AM
Feb 2019

I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt in this case. I doubt he understood what he was saying.

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
17. Here's "can't see the forest for the trees" in many languages:
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 09:34 AM
Feb 2019
https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/cant-see-the-forest-for-the-trees.1533197/

The French expression is: Impossible de voir le bois pour les arbres

You have misconstrued the expression, thus losing its meaning. Perhaps reading it in French will clarify its meaning for you.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
19. No matter the language, n'importe quelle langue,
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 12:35 PM
Feb 2019

you are incorrect, z'avez pas de raison, vous.

Step back and look harder.

Voltaire2

(14,632 posts)
30. If you step back from the forest it continues to look like a forest until you are so far back
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 06:22 PM
Feb 2019

that it instead looks like its containing geographical feature.

You truly don't appear to understand what "can't see the forest for the trees" means.

It is a metaphor about sets and elements of sets, or if that is too complex for you, the whole thing, and the parts that the thing is made of.

So to re-iterate, to see the trees, step closer to the forest. To see the forest, step away from the tree.

You however should step away from metaphors.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
7. We all know the bridge isn't important.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 01:54 PM
Feb 2019

Even if it's on fire, there are some who think the people who refuse to use it are the problem, and not the folks who set it on fire.

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)
15. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 08:55 AM
Feb 2019

because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. -- Susan B. Anthony

Doesn't sound like someone who wanted to "build bridges".

Bretton Garcia

(970 posts)
8. At most, secular "saints" are probably deliberate religious parody.
Mon Feb 4, 2019, 03:35 PM
Feb 2019

Like Pastafarianism.

But if religious folks fall for it?

Hmmmmm. What does that tell us?

Voltaire2

(14,632 posts)
31. Jesus is toast?
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 06:23 PM
Feb 2019

That's my guess and I'm sticking to it. Literally. There was peanut butter on the toast.

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