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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 11:46 AM Mar 2019

BAD news: Governor signs bill requiring clergy to report child abuse

https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-usa/2019/03/28/governor-signs-bill-requiring-clergy-to-report-child-abuse/

In response in part to the child sex abuse scandal in the Catholic Church, Virginia will have a new law on July 1 requiring priests, ministers, rabbis and other clergy members to report suspected cases of child abuse or neglect.

Gov. Ralph Northam has signed into law two bills — HB 1659, sponsored by Del. Karrie Delaney, D-Fairfax, and SB 1257, introduced by Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel, R-Fauquier. The measures mandate that religious officials must report any suspected abuse to local law enforcement.

The bills passed unanimously in the House and Senate last month.


Sounds like good news, right? No it's bad news because it still allows churches to cover up abuse:

However, the law will exempt clergy members from the reporting requirement when confidentiality is required by the religious organization, such as anything a priest hears during confession.
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BAD news: Governor signs bill requiring clergy to report child abuse (Original Post) trotsky Mar 2019 OP
Correction ' good news' California_Republic Mar 2019 #1
Please read the full post. n/t trotsky Mar 2019 #2
Are lawyers mandated reporters? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #3
Yeah, whatabout other child abuse? trotsky Mar 2019 #6
Busted again Major Nikon Mar 2019 #12
Incorreect. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #15
Wow you've tried to latch on to that aspect like a pitbull. trotsky Mar 2019 #20
In most states, if they know their client will commit a crime, yes. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2019 #9
In this case, the crime has been committed. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #16
If the crime has already been committed, then the lawyer's duty marylandblue Mar 2019 #17
That would be the Prosecutor. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #21
From the article: guillaumeb Mar 2019 #4
Also from the article: trotsky Mar 2019 #5
Virginia legislators seem detyermined to have it both ways. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #7
Two words: religious privilege. trotsky Mar 2019 #8
Maybe he means he thinks it's wrong Mariana Mar 2019 #10
I think you're way more likely to be correct than I am. trotsky Mar 2019 #11
Alternatively, he means only the RCC should get the privilege marylandblue Mar 2019 #18
RCC Canon Law is clear. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #14
Because of religious privilege. Thank you for confirming I'm right. n/t trotsky Mar 2019 #19
Good news for all the child rape apologists Major Nikon Mar 2019 #13

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
3. Are lawyers mandated reporters?
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 11:55 AM
Mar 2019

Given that most child abuse happens in the home, one might ask why attorneys are not mandated reporters.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
6. Yeah, whatabout other child abuse?
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 12:58 PM
Mar 2019

This thread is about how religious privilege will prevent the reporting of some abuse.

Do you have anything to say about that?

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
15. Incorreect.
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 06:48 PM
Mar 2019
Why Whataboutism is a Fallacy

Whataboutism suggests that two wrongs make a right.

If we accept whataboutism arguments, then nothing can be deemed wrong, as long as we can think of examples of things that are worse.


https://simplicable.com/new/whataboutism

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
20. Wow you've tried to latch on to that aspect like a pitbull.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 07:56 AM
Mar 2019

Too bad it doesn't mean what you think it does.

It doesn't state that you are INTENDING to have "two wrongs make a right." No one is claiming that's what you're doing, either.

Whataboutism in itself means that any wrong can be dismissed if you can bring up another wrong that you present as worse, or more encompassing. As you continue to do with the Chinese government, trying to associate their policies with atheism. You seek to squelch discussion of religious intolerance by presenting general intolerance as the REAL problem. The WORSE problem.

There are many kinds of intolerance, g. Religious intolerance is real, and one of them.

I am sorry that upsets you so much. But closing your eyes to it and denying it will only perpetuate it. That's evil.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,170 posts)
9. In most states, if they know their client will commit a crime, yes.
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 01:48 PM
Mar 2019

Most mandatory reporter laws list those that are in frequent contact with children. Hence the reason attorneys are not explicitly on that list.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
17. If the crime has already been committed, then the lawyer's duty
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 09:02 PM
Mar 2019

is to ensure that the suspect gets a fair trial. Since the lawyer (and only the lawyer) is legally bound to protect the client, it would be a conflict of interest and prejudicial to his client to report the crime. Although our society breaks many privileged communications to protect children, the principle of innocent until proven guilty is enshrined in the Constitution thus we also acknowledge that the accused also has rights that need to be protected. The only way to protect these rights is to provide the accused with at least one legal expert who's only duty is to protect him.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
4. From the article:
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 11:56 AM
Mar 2019
To receive reports of sexual abuse of a minor by clergy, the Virginia State Police have a website, www.virginiaclergyhotline.com, and a toll-free hotline, 833-454-9064. Callers may remain anonymous.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
5. Also from the article:
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 12:46 PM
Mar 2019
However, the law will exempt clergy members from the reporting requirement when confidentiality is required by the religious organization, such as anything a priest hears during confession.


Toothless and deferring to religious privilege. Now we know why the sex abuse scandal is so much worse in the RCC.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
7. Virginia legislators seem detyermined to have it both ways.
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 01:13 PM
Mar 2019

Probably out of concern for separation of church and state.

I think that they are wrong, but they did not ask me.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
8. Two words: religious privilege.
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 01:28 PM
Mar 2019

You think they are wrong?

Do you believe that priests SHOULD have to reveal evidence of child abuse that they receive in confessional?

That would be a change in your position. Please confirm.

Mariana

(15,126 posts)
10. Maybe he means he thinks it's wrong
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 03:34 PM
Mar 2019

that any member of the clergy should be required to report child abuse, ever.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
11. I think you're way more likely to be correct than I am.
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 03:45 PM
Mar 2019

But I am certain he will not give a clear answer.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
18. Alternatively, he means only the RCC should get the privilege
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 10:02 PM
Mar 2019

But the law says that any denomination that claims the privilege will get it. This avoids appearing to give the RCC special treatment but also makes the law worthless.

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