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Related: About this forumBAD news: Governor signs bill requiring clergy to report child abuse
https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-usa/2019/03/28/governor-signs-bill-requiring-clergy-to-report-child-abuse/Gov. Ralph Northam has signed into law two bills HB 1659, sponsored by Del. Karrie Delaney, D-Fairfax, and SB 1257, introduced by Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel, R-Fauquier. The measures mandate that religious officials must report any suspected abuse to local law enforcement.
The bills passed unanimously in the House and Senate last month.
Sounds like good news, right? No it's bad news because it still allows churches to cover up abuse:
California_Republic
(1,826 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Given that most child abuse happens in the home, one might ask why attorneys are not mandated reporters.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)This thread is about how religious privilege will prevent the reporting of some abuse.
Do you have anything to say about that?
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Whataboutism suggests that two wrongs make a right.
If we accept whataboutism arguments, then nothing can be deemed wrong, as long as we can think of examples of things that are worse.
https://simplicable.com/new/whataboutism
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Too bad it doesn't mean what you think it does.
It doesn't state that you are INTENDING to have "two wrongs make a right." No one is claiming that's what you're doing, either.
Whataboutism in itself means that any wrong can be dismissed if you can bring up another wrong that you present as worse, or more encompassing. As you continue to do with the Chinese government, trying to associate their policies with atheism. You seek to squelch discussion of religious intolerance by presenting general intolerance as the REAL problem. The WORSE problem.
There are many kinds of intolerance, g. Religious intolerance is real, and one of them.
I am sorry that upsets you so much. But closing your eyes to it and denying it will only perpetuate it. That's evil.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,170 posts)Most mandatory reporter laws list those that are in frequent contact with children. Hence the reason attorneys are not explicitly on that list.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)So your example does not apply.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)is to ensure that the suspect gets a fair trial. Since the lawyer (and only the lawyer) is legally bound to protect the client, it would be a conflict of interest and prejudicial to his client to report the crime. Although our society breaks many privileged communications to protect children, the principle of innocent until proven guilty is enshrined in the Constitution thus we also acknowledge that the accused also has rights that need to be protected. The only way to protect these rights is to provide the accused with at least one legal expert who's only duty is to protect him.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)In my opinion, this law is an attempt to satisfy both sides.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Toothless and deferring to religious privilege. Now we know why the sex abuse scandal is so much worse in the RCC.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Probably out of concern for separation of church and state.
I think that they are wrong, but they did not ask me.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)You think they are wrong?
Do you believe that priests SHOULD have to reveal evidence of child abuse that they receive in confessional?
That would be a change in your position. Please confirm.
Mariana
(15,126 posts)that any member of the clergy should be required to report child abuse, ever.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)But I am certain he will not give a clear answer.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)But the law says that any denomination that claims the privilege will get it. This avoids appearing to give the RCC special treatment but also makes the law worthless.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)And the Virginia Legislature obviously deferred to it.