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MineralMan

(147,576 posts)
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 12:23 PM Apr 2019

Child Sexual Abuse Occurs in Many Settings - Not Just Religious Organizations

Those who decry it, decry it wherever it occurs. For example, the Boy Scouts of America have had to change their policies and practices after revelations of such abuse and cover-ups of that abuse. The publicity forced them to do so. Other non-profits have had to do the same thing, or even disband completely, after such horrors and cover-ups were exposed.

But, this is the Religion Group on DU. So we focus on religious groups here. The Roman Catholic Church is in the news for the widespread, worldwide sexual abuse of children by priests and the cover-up that has gone on for at least decades. The lawsuits derived from that have bankrupted several dioceses and archdioceses of that organization. People post stories about it here in the Religion Group. People who post such things want to see changes in the underlying hierarchy that has allowed such abuses to continue and spread.

The Southern Baptist Convention is also seeing the exposure of similar abuses within its churches and similar cover-ups. People post stories about that here, too. The hope is that exposure will lead to change.

The goal is to put a stop to it. That's my goal, and that's the goal of almost everyone here. It has to do with religion, so we talk about it here. We don't compare such abuse in religious organizations with similar abuse in secular organizations, because this is the Religion Group. That does not mean that we are ignoring similar abuse elsewhere. But those secular organizations have nothing to do with religion, which is the topic here.

From time to time, someone will try to derail discussions of child sexual abuse in religious organizations by pointing at secular organization that have similar problems. Often, such distractions from the discussion are designed to shift attention away from the fact that a religious organization is doing a terrible thing. People try to say, "But, what about this other group...it happens there...why are you talking about that church organization and not the other group.?"

Why? Because this is the Religion Group. That's why? And because it doesn't matter if similar abuses take place in other organizations. That does not in any way excuse a church organization. Not in any way. Change is the goal. Putting an end to the abuse is the goal. Exposure of that terrible abuse and the covering up of it is the method.

The only way to stop such horrors is to expose them. Public awareness leads to public shaming of such organizations and to the eventual changes that stop the cycle.

Whataboutism does nothing except to divert from the discussion. Ever. Public condemnation of such abuses and the secrecy that helps to spread it leads to changes that reduce the number of children who are harmed. What about that?

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Child Sexual Abuse Occurs in Many Settings - Not Just Religious Organizations (Original Post) MineralMan Apr 2019 OP
Additionally, the RCC is a global organization. And their scandal is global. trotsky Apr 2019 #1
Yes. I described the scandal as a worldwide thing. MineralMan Apr 2019 #2
Whataboutism is appropriate when the issue of Igel Apr 2019 #3
You've never heard that from me. MineralMan Apr 2019 #4
The first groups you mentioned Lordquinton Apr 2019 #5
Yes. That's the difference. MineralMan Apr 2019 #6

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
1. Additionally, the RCC is a global organization. And their scandal is global.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 01:15 PM
Apr 2019

They have even specifically transferred abusive priests to OTHER COUNTRIES to continue their abuse.

But some folks say they just don't know if the RCC's sex abuse scandal is really any worse than any other institution's.

Sad, really.

MineralMan

(147,576 posts)
2. Yes. I described the scandal as a worldwide thing.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 01:22 PM
Apr 2019

Really, there's no organization quite equivalent to the RCC in scope or global impact. It is so deeply ingrained in religious culture throughout the world that it is almost mind-boggling. That this child sexual abuse thing appears to be part of its culture everywhere is overwhelmingly a big part of the issue.

I can't think of another organization quite as much a part of so many cultures and nations. And that's deliberate on the church's part. It seeks political power, as well as doctrinal domination.

It wasn't called the Holy Roman Empire for nothing. It is no longer that, but wishes to be, I'm sure.

Igel

(36,082 posts)
3. Whataboutism is appropriate when the issue of
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 05:21 PM
Apr 2019

religious exceptionalism seems to pop up.

"We need to dispose of religion because it's exceptional in that child abuse occurs there" seems a not infrequent refrain. Sometime's it's hedged, "it's much more prevalent there than elsewhere," as though the claim were evidence.

At that point the issue isn't so much "what can religious organizations do to prevent child sexual abuse" and "child sexual abuse is grounds for preventing religious organizations," it goes from discussing policy and how good policy can be implemented to being a tirade against religion.

Having the discussion diverted before that, the discussion can't really be diverted after that.

MineralMan

(147,576 posts)
4. You've never heard that from me.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 05:27 PM
Apr 2019

Most religious denominations do not tolerate such abuse from their ministers and pastors. None of them should, yet some do and a few have actively hidden it by moving offenders.

I have no reason to advocate the end of religion. So, I don't. My post says nothing about any such thing, so I'm confused about why you bring it up in this thread.

In fact, I can't remember anyone here advocating what you claim to be a frequent thing.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
5. The first groups you mentioned
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 06:00 PM
Apr 2019

they made major policy changes to keep children safe. The RCC has done nothing to change the systemic issues. They have talked a lot about making changes, but then nothing actually happens. They even get built-in exceptions in laws that are designed to help protect children. That's where the main distinction lies.

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