It insists that its ways are the correct ones, and ignores the cultures it wishes to convert. That has been its pattern from the very beginning. The result is always conflict between the goals of the church and those of the local culture and government.

By claiming to be correct and infallible, it fails in places that already have a stable cultural system in place. China, Japan, India and other parts of Asia have cultures that predate Christianity. No wonder they resist foreign cultural invasion.

The Ugly Westerner at work.

To chalk it up as "China is oppressing theists" is ignorant indeed.

Chinese Government.

Ironic, is it not, that even when theists are not running the government that a government can demonstrate the same pattern of repression and intolerance.

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Roman Catholicism is not that culture. The RCC has been trying to convert Chinese people for centuries. Where does it obtain the right to do that, do you suppose?

It also tried to convert the Chumash peoples in California. Instead, it killed them all, one way or another, so that there are none left today. Perhaps that was the true goal, eh? All that is left of the Chumash are artifacts. The Mission in San Luis Obispo, CA, has a very large collection of those on display in its museum, but there are no Chumash people left to explain them.

That story is repeated again and again in multiple places that already had a culture when the RCC came and forced its culture on indigenous people. If they objected, they were exterminated. The story of genocide in the name of Jesus is a long, long, repetitive story.

It tried to do that in China, too, and is still apparently trying to do that. Again, where does the right to do so come from?

It's no wonder that China seeks to remove the influence of non-Chinese religious groups from its country. Chinese culture predates Christianity by millennia.

Feh!

And China has expanded to include Tibet and areas to the west that were already occupied by other, non-Han Chinese people.

Your reply sounds like an attempt to excuse intolerance because of supposed cultural influences.

You have missed the point again, I'm afraid. Oh, well...

That explains your rather puzzling response.

are proof enough, for those who have no agenda, that the Chinese Government, run by atheists, singles out theists for persecution because they are theists.

And when the persecution includes being criminalized for the crime of praying, it is abundantly clear, for those who wish to see, that the crime is being an open theist.

Your viewpoint is terribly misinformed. I'm sorry.

I am sorry you have having such difficulty understanding the subject.

I am truly sorry you are experiencing such a challenge grasping the situation.

It is not working, mainly because the actual article rebuts your claim.

Pointing out your errors.

As demonstrated by the hyperbolic "concentration camp" reference.

Does the Chinese government persecute SOME theists? Yes.

Does it persecute ALL theists? No.

Does it persecute SOME atheists? Yes.

Does it persecute ALL atheists? No.

The very simple reality is that it goes after people who are a threat, regardless of their theism or atheism. Certain people need to have a different narrative be true though, and so they'll happily look like fools in order to defend that narrative to the bitter end.

Child rape apologists gonna whatabout.

Ad hominem is much favored by some.

There's real evidence (screenshots) to prove it. Shall we post them again?

Are you the new designated spokesperson?

Tell that to the inmates.

Duplicitous:

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deceitful.
"treacherous, duplicitous behavior"
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(of a charge or plea) containing more than one allegation.

Some cannot resist ad hominem attacks.

You claim the Chinese government is persecuting theists for only being theists. You are saying that "being a theist" is their only "crime", correct?

Please confirm that this is your position, or state your actual position for analysis.

Agreed?

Does it allow you to ignore the suffering of Uighur theists?

One hopes not.

Thanks for confirming.

set up in California, led by Franciscan friars, where forced labor by indigenous people like the Chumash people was used to build the Roman Catholic Missions there? What do you think? Do you suppose the Priests of those missions were concerned with the welfare of the indigenous people? I guess not, since they were exterminated by violence and disease. None remain today, thanks to Fr. Junipero Serra and his merry band.

And Pope Francis made Fr. Serra a saint. Imagine that! The RCC's legacy is one of genocide and enslavement. Francis is part of a centuries old line of Popes. The line is continuous. In making Serra a saint, he continued the horror.

But I know the Chinese Government prefers the term "re-education camps".

And are you fluent in Chinese and the Uighur variant of Turkic that is spoken by the Uighurs?

And did you speak of these issues with any actual Uighurs?

Or are you just finding stories online to share with us?

Or are you just finding stories online to share with us?

I await the response from Duppers.

Please don't suggest that I not do that. Thanks.

Understood. The double standard is blatant.

The other person. You did not answer, which all the answer I need. The person you addressed your question to apparently has some experience in China. You do not. Nor do you speak either language. You depend on the accounts of others.

My point was made. You're was not.

And I asked for background that would give that person the ability to make such a statement.

You missed my point. Understood.

This will be helpful to use against you in the future. Thanks.