You yourself have declared that what you have supported with your faith does not need to be justified, and cannot be questioned.

Given that theism and atheism are unprovable positions, you tell me the answer.

theistic belief and disbelief are not equivalent positions. But this has been discussed here repeatedly.

No.

What assertion of fact is it that atheists need to prove?

No.

There is no "here we go..." aspect.

For theists: the assertion that a god exists.
For atheists: ?

Please note that an atheist need not assert that no gods exist, the atheist position is simply an absence of belief in gods. Some atheists might assert that no gods exist, but that is not required to be an atheist.

Without a definition of the word not only are atheism and theism unprovable, they are also unpizzlable.

As if the same worn out canned response is an acceptable substitute for reason.

but you're simply wrong. Therefore, your answer is, YOU hold the unprovable position, and your mind is closed.

And I locked the metaphoric door.

I couldn't have done it better myself.

The door is closed.

Unless you are selling cookies.

Because you don't embrace their position? I thought this sort of crap was against DU rules. I like that you bring up interesting topics. Just wanted to say because it's tiresome to go into a thread that veers off into personal attack mode rather than a discussion of the topic.

And some, in my view, feel that this Group should be reserved for attacks on theism.

Thus the endless diversions.

This is a good example of what can take place, but even in this thread we see familiar observations.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218312140

Worth reading a few times for me.

I said "always"...I am prone to hyperbole. I try to catch it but don't always. Still, I commend you for handling it with grace.

Thank you again, G.

I cannot think of one of Bright's posts that I have not recommended.

Thank you for your words. I will try to live up to them.

Guill

Do you mean homophobia?

I would never say that all Trump supporters are racists, or homophobes, or liars.

But they all voted for one.

Thinking you are going to 'win them over' is nonsense.

Trump's supporters who support him on religious grounds are not generally people who are likely to change the fixed views that Trump relies on to keep their support.

If change was likely, other information has long been available.

So, Buttigieg will probably have to settle for people for whom religion is not a club used to beat people over the head.

because of the abortion issue. And that will not change.

If Buttigieg feels that he can appeal to a portion of the religious voters who currently support Trump, I wish him well.

Everyone knew about that before the election in 2016, and still, the majority of Christian voters cast their ballots for Trump.

But, see, religion benefits society, we are told. I'm not seeing it, frankly.

1. The "best" group was Jewish people.
2. But statistically speaking it's a three way tie for best group between Jewish, unaffiliated, and other faiths.
3. Protestants were overall the worst group (mainline protestants are 86% White).
4. Catholics were roughly 50/50, but if you break it down racially, Hispanic Catholics were EQUAL to religiously unaffiliated in support of Trump.
5. White Catholics were the worst group along with Mormons (who are almost exclusively White--85%).

Thus, what that tells me is that race is more important than religion in determining whether someone voted for Trump.
Being a Catholic means either being very much for or against Trump, whether you are White or Hispanic.
Three of the "top" four groups were religious, and one included a Christian religion.
The three "worst" groups were religious, and they all included Christians, but all three are almost exclusively white (85% or higher).

So, being White to me is way more of a problem in this instance than being religious or even Christian. I'm fairly certain the majority of Black and Brown Christians didn't vote for Trump.

And as if this were not enough, Trump's blatant racism was there to convince the racists that Trump was their candidate.

or near enough to it. You aren't driving a wedge between them and Trump.

If so, I feel that they will be disappointed.

when it comes to issues such as race and homophobia. I just spent a few days with some people last week who are conservative republicans but definitely not racist and they said nothing about LGBT issues. They were kind to strangers of different stripes and talked of many things, the least being anything political. I could see some of them being open to Mayor Pete and his ideas.

But some of them may still, as you said in another post, have voted for the racist currently occupying the White House. My guess it was simply because they identify as republican and on principle vote that way regardless of the actual person with the "R" behind their name. Our two-party system doesn't really reflect who we really are as a community of people.

I agree. Perhaps they buy the meme that the GOP is the Party of family values.