they wish to wear. Men should not place restrictions on them.

Women should be free to reveal as much, or as little, as they wish.

what the men in that religion dictate they wear. That is what religion does with their freedom to wear what they wish.

Religion is not necessary good for society. Often, it demands obedience by everyone to the rules of some people.

Nice, eh?

But you have that right.

...calling it religious “freedom”. The irony seems to be lost on them.

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/women-protesting-hijab-1979/

What’s with all the fuss?

preference falls towards these paintings by famous painters..
Francisco de Goya painting:




Titian's Venus of Urbino




Edouard Manet's Olympia

wear or not to wear isn't really up to men. It's a choice to be made by each woman.

when they are immersed in culture and/or religion that teaches women who don't cover up are evil or wicked. Is a woman "freely" choosing to wear a hijab when that is what she is taught?

Society and culture dictate pretty much what we all choose to wear. I think it would be a pretty unpleasant thing for me if I showed up in Court wearing a toga.

But a much greater factor for some.

It is a pretty clear line to me. Cultural norms are one thing, cultural norms enforced by physical violence are another.

The difference is the dress code we are talking about applies to all settings and one gender. It's also one that was rendered almost completely obsolete by the sexual revolution only to be revived by the rise of fundamentalism. To suggest it's a matter of "freedom" is very far afield from reality.

Certain religious cultures. That is obvious. No one should deny the obvious.

Not from atheists, but from fundamentalists whose noses are as blue as her bikini.

What to do when you are torn between a belief system that blames you for inciting men's uncontrollable lust if you so much as flash a wrist or ankle, and western media's constant promulgation of the message that being female is worthless if you don't have a svelte, toned, young body.

Don't consider this progress. Just another step backward for women.

Progress is accepting differences.

If they want to exchange what I consider one sexist system for another or add another one to the one they've got, that's up to them.

But neither of us has the right to make decisions for others.

A male-dominated misogynistic religion demands that women dress in a certain way. Visit the Bronx in New York and see what the Hasidic Jews demand. Visit a Mennonite community in the midwest and see what their women are required to wear. Visit a fundamentalist LDS community in Arizona, Utah, or Colorado and see how the women dress. In any society dominated by a male-dominated misogynistic religion, women have no right to choose what they wear.

Religion is not a positive influence for women in any of those communities. Nope. Not at all.

All issued by fundamentalist Islamic theists.

Meanwhile, atheists shrug at this entire thing, including SI's venture into political religious nonsense, using young women as pawns.

So there is that as well.

When I was a child and a teen, girls were required to wear skirts to school. Pants were forbidden. Their legs were required to be exposed to the male gaze. It's the same thing. Women were controlled, while boys and men were allowed to dress as they pleased.

Men run religions, from the Pope in Rome to the orthodox rabbi or Islamic leader. They tell women what they must do, and punish those who do not obey them.

That is religion, Monsieur B. That is the nature of religion - to control and dictate. Religion has been doing so since the first religion was created by humans.

Women, deciding for themselves.

Love the idea of wearing a burkini made with sun-blocking fabric. My daughter and I already wear our own versions with long-sleeved tunics over swimming tights. It's great sun protection and is more flattering for those of us who are self-conscious in a bathing suit.

Thank you for providing this insight.

I loved #20.

If you expose your head and other parts. In Saudi Arabia don't try it.

loose coverings may increase, but I will make mine white to reflect the sun.

As Dylan Thomas called it: the meat-eating sun.

I am olive skinned, with dark hair and eyes, but my wife has blue eyes and light skin. The sun does not like her.

People making choices! Free wills for everyone! No socialization through systemic misogyny to see here!

to be whipped for dress code violations. Praise Gods!

"Meanwhile, in some countries, some lawmakers are eager to legislate what cannot be worn, and where."

You're talking about countries like Saudi Arabia, right?

Or by "some" do you mean "all" because pretty much all countries have some laws regarding what can and can't be worn.

Or is this another ham-fisted swipe at atheists that defeated itself before it even left the gate?

Once again we are told to believe up is down and religious based slut-shaming is somehow really a form of liberation.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/i-was-forced-to-wear-a-hijab-it-wasnt-liberating/

Do they participate in world nudity day in Saudi Arabia?

...to show their faces in specific situations.

C'mon, we all know that.

you actually worship it.