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guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
Fri May 3, 2019, 05:53 PM May 2019

China is punishing Muslims for fasting. So US Muslims are fasting from China.

From the article:

This Ramadan, human rights groups and Muslim organizations are urging U.S. Muslims to boycott products made in China, where authorities have for years cracked down on Muslims fasting.
“People say, ‘Oh, I can’t boycott China, everything is made in China,’” said Hena Zuberi, director of outreach for the nonprofit Justice for All, who helped found the Fast From China campaign this month. “Well, we have the spiritual wherewithal to refrain from eating and drinking during the day in Ramadan. This is a time to control your nafs (self).”
Launched April 19 by the Sound Vision Foundation’s Save Uighur project, the Fast From China initiative aims to get Muslims to rethink their everyday purchasing decisions and replace items bearing a “Made in China” label with products made in other countries.


To read more:

https://religionnews.com/2019/05/02/china-is-punishing-muslims-for-fasting-so-us-muslims-are-fasting-from-china/

If there is enough public pressure on US businesses, perhaps US and world consumers can influence the Chinese Government to cease their persecution of theists.
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China is punishing Muslims for fasting. So US Muslims are fasting from China. (Original Post) guillaumeb May 2019 OP
80% of stuff sold in Walmart is made in China at140 May 2019 #1
Many said the boycott of South Africa would also fail. guillaumeb May 2019 #2
China economy is a giant compared to S.A. at140 May 2019 #3
Understood. guillaumeb May 2019 #6
Yes, I remember the heady days when virtually every consumer product was made in South Africa... Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #12
But diamonds...diamonds... MineralMan May 2019 #14
How about you joining them MineralMan May 2019 #4
An excellent suggestion. guillaumeb May 2019 #5
There are a couple of dozen mosques in the Chicago area. MineralMan May 2019 #8
I work with people from 2 of the ones in my area. eom guillaumeb May 2019 #15
China's mad at religion because Christians made it buy opium Bretton Garcia May 2019 #7
I don't think opium was the determining Voltaire2 May 2019 #9
That's true, of course, but China's attitude toward MineralMan May 2019 #10
An attempt to "explain" the oppression? guillaumeb May 2019 #27
The British were doing it in general to offset the demand they had for Chinese products, so they still_one May 2019 #28
What can we do to get China to cease their persecution of atheists, too? trotsky May 2019 #11
I think we already know the answer to that question. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #13
What can we do to get China to cease their persecution of atheists, too? trotsky May 2019 #16
Join them in persecution of athiests, of course. MineralMan May 2019 #17
Well, when someone's stated goal is to provide a "counterpoint" for bad news concerning the RCC, trotsky May 2019 #18
But what's a little "inconvenience" when you have an agenda to follow? MineralMan May 2019 #19
Boston atheists were once mean to a Trump supporter Major Nikon May 2019 #20
Hi trotsky - thank you for posting this question! Pendrench May 2019 #21
I was wondering this Lordquinton May 2019 #22
"Used as a prop" - that's exactly what it is. trotsky May 2019 #23
At least you admit that this issue is serious. guillaumeb May 2019 #24
China, while it doesn't follow Western abrahamic religion Lordquinton May 2019 #25
The point is made whith China. guillaumeb May 2019 #26
So you're following a very literalist interpretation of Atheism Lordquinton May 2019 #29
"I explicitly condemn the atheists who lead the Chinese Government." trotsky May 2019 #31
Literally no one has denied the issue is serious, g. Why do you persist with straw men? trotsky May 2019 #30

at140

(6,118 posts)
1. 80% of stuff sold in Walmart is made in China
Fri May 3, 2019, 05:57 PM
May 2019

And Walmart is the world's biggest retailer. Don't think many will pay more for stuff made outside of China. I don't give the China boycott by Muslims much chance to succeed.

at140

(6,118 posts)
3. China economy is a giant compared to S.A.
Fri May 3, 2019, 06:11 PM
May 2019

South Africa with its small economy is inherently more likely to feel boycotts.
China economy is actually greater than USA if one counts purchasing power.

Based on the size of China economy, I predict Walmart will not close shop due to
any boycott and China will continue to dominate world trade.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
12. Yes, I remember the heady days when virtually every consumer product was made in South Africa...
Mon May 6, 2019, 08:45 AM
May 2019

Maybe spend a few extra seconds thinking about what you're going to say before you say it.

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
4. How about you joining them
Fri May 3, 2019, 06:50 PM
May 2019

in their boycott? How about enlisting those you know?

There aren't really enough Muslims in the US to make a noticeable difference in sales.

You seem concerned, so why not start a boycott to help them?

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
8. There are a couple of dozen mosques in the Chicago area.
Sat May 4, 2019, 08:41 AM
May 2019

You might visit them and ask what they're doing about the Chinese situation.

Bretton Garcia

(970 posts)
7. China's mad at religion because Christians made it buy opium
Sat May 4, 2019, 03:32 AM
May 2019

British Christians were making lots of money selling opium to the Chinese. Who became heavily addicted. When Chinese leaders objected, the British went to war with them, and killed them. In the two Opium Wars, 1839-1860.

It is estimated that before that, China had the largest economy in the world. When it was over, that economy had been reduced by half.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars

Voltaire2

(14,632 posts)
9. I don't think opium was the determining
Sat May 4, 2019, 09:39 AM
May 2019

factor in China’s decline from the 1700’s up to the revolutionary era of the 20th century. The opium war was a symptom of how far and how fast the decline had happened.

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
10. That's true, of course, but China's attitude toward
Sat May 4, 2019, 09:59 AM
May 2019

the European West was skewed, in part, due to attempts to colonialize that ancient culture. Attempts were made throughout East Asia to turn nations into part of Europe's supply chain as vassal nations. All of them failed, pretty much, because of the age and longevity of those cultures.

The difficulties of transportation were probably the primary reason the empirical goals of the West did not succeed. That and a long-established system of government, language difficulties, and other factors.

But, the Europeans gave it a try, for sure. However, even the Christian missionaries couldn't accomplish much in the face of large populations and an established cultural base.

still_one

(96,032 posts)
28. The British were doing it in general to offset the demand they had for Chinese products, so they
Fri May 10, 2019, 09:06 PM
May 2019

effectively acted as drug pushers to offset that trade deficit, and there were two wars because of that, and your assessment is absolutely correct, and China was not the only country the colonial powers were involved with.

There was a reason China tried to isolate themselves from the west



trotsky

(49,533 posts)
11. What can we do to get China to cease their persecution of atheists, too?
Mon May 6, 2019, 07:52 AM
May 2019

Or do you only care about theists, gil?

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
13. I think we already know the answer to that question.
Mon May 6, 2019, 09:12 AM
May 2019

There are 13 countries were being an atheist is a crime punishable by death. I'm sure his calls to boycott them are pending, once we have addressed the far more serious issue of indirect forcefeeding.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
16. What can we do to get China to cease their persecution of atheists, too?
Fri May 10, 2019, 07:27 AM
May 2019

Do you have any suggestions?

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
17. Join them in persecution of athiests, of course.
Fri May 10, 2019, 08:22 AM
May 2019

For some, atheists are fair game for whatever persecution that can be conceived. Only persecution of particular religions is to be abhorred.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
18. Well, when someone's stated goal is to provide a "counterpoint" for bad news concerning the RCC,
Fri May 10, 2019, 09:41 AM
May 2019

it's a little inconvenient for their crusade to have to acknowledge the Chinese government persecutes people regardless of their religious beliefs (or lack thereof).

MineralMan

(147,334 posts)
19. But what's a little "inconvenience" when you have an agenda to follow?
Fri May 10, 2019, 09:53 AM
May 2019

One can simply ignore such inconveniences, it seems, and carry on with the plan.

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)
20. Boston atheists were once mean to a Trump supporter
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:23 AM
May 2019

Which proves an international religious child rape conspiracy on a biblical scale (literal or metaphorical?) is consistent human behavior.

Pendrench

(1,388 posts)
21. Hi trotsky - thank you for posting this question!
Fri May 10, 2019, 10:46 AM
May 2019

I'm not sure how effective it might be, but here are some steps that I will take:

1. Contact the Chinese Embassy in Washington

2. Contact U.S. Ambassador to China (Terry Branstad)

3. I will also see what the Chinese student organizations here on campus might suggest.

If you have additional suggestions, I would be most grateful.

Wishing you well and peace!

Tim

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
22. I was wondering this
Fri May 10, 2019, 02:26 PM
May 2019

the posts about China, while highlighting a serious issue, seem to also be disrespecting the issue because they are being used as a prop instead of a serious discussion.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
23. "Used as a prop" - that's exactly what it is.
Fri May 10, 2019, 02:50 PM
May 2019

There are Catholics on DU. The only thing that will change the corrupt culture of that church is people leaving. Reading articles about their continuing atrocious behavior might just get more Catholics to leave.

Post about China all you want on DU, the Chinese government doesn't care.

"Counterpoint" my ass.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
24. At least you admit that this issue is serious.
Fri May 10, 2019, 06:34 PM
May 2019

And the intent is to highlight how intolerance is a basic human behavior.

Do you wish to discuss that fact, or do you prefer to avoid it?

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
25. China, while it doesn't follow Western abrahamic religion
Fri May 10, 2019, 08:37 PM
May 2019

Has its own spiritualistic culture, why are you constantly boiling it down to atheism? Why haven't you posted about the atheists in Myanmar ethnicly cleansing Muslims?

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
26. The point is made whith China.
Fri May 10, 2019, 09:01 PM
May 2019

And made again.

Oppression is a negative human behavior.

And I explicitly condemn the atheists who lead the Chinese Government.

But one poster here attempts to explain away the oppression committed by the Chinese Government by blaming the victims.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
29. So you're following a very literalist interpretation of Atheism
Mon May 13, 2019, 05:46 AM
May 2019

If they don't follow the Christian (or Abrahamic) god, they are an atheist. But you focus on China, why not the atheists in Myanmar ethnically cleansing Muslims? You dodged my question about that, so how about it?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
31. "I explicitly condemn the atheists who lead the Chinese Government."
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:29 AM
May 2019

How do you know they're all atheists?

You don't.

That's a bigoted thing to say, g. Apologize, please.

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