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Related: About this forumGetting in on -- and tossed out of -- the Satanist Temple joke
From the article:
Jex Blackmore is a Satanist, as she plainly admits to the camera in Director Penny Lanes documentary Hail Satan?, a portrait of the 30-something Blackmore that opened earlier this year.
But shes not a Satan worshipper. A self-proclaimed Satanic feminist, she was until recently a national spokesperson for the non-theistic, religious-cum-political-activist group called The Satanic Temple. She defines a Satanist as an individual who embraces her pariah status and actively challenges arbitrary authority in defense of personal sovereignty....
The Satanic Temple insisted her appearance (and incendiary rhetoric) wasnt formally sanctioned by TST, and it has since severed ties with Blackmore. Blackmore, for her part, criticized the organizations lack of diversity, charging in a recent interview with Jezebel that weve again seen an organization consolidate power into the hands of a group of men or people who support and act as a mouthpiece for those men. She went on to point out that Satanism has long been vulnerable to being co-opted by white supremacists.
To read more:
https://religionnews.com/2019/05/24/getting-in-on-and-tossed-out-of-the-satanist-temple-joke/
Did Satan cause these white supremacists to be intolerant?
msongs
(70,170 posts)"Blackmore, for her part, criticized the organizations lack of diversity, charging in a recent interview with Jezebel that weve again seen an organization consolidate power into the hands of a group of men or people who support and act as a mouthpiece for those men. She went on to point out that Satanism has long been vulnerable to being co-opted by white supremacists."
that's what happens when you live your life around 2000 year old myths and fairy tales
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Almost is if this were typical human behavior.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Almost as if you were sick the day they went over science in science class.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Take those, for example, who would try to logic their way to a declarative statement vis-a-vis human nature.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)You excerpted right over it.
Regardless of whatever issues TST may have, this is irresponsible and dangerous speech - it's announcing the intent to commit felonies. If there is a legitimate sexist beef with the TST, this is NOT the case to hang one's hat on.
Unless you think her speech was OK, guillaumeb?
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Or was she making a point?
We know that sexism and misogyny is quite prevalent among some "leaders" in the new atheist crowd.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)"Prominent" who are racist and sexist.
That said, they don't lead much of a crowd and they are not my leaders. I don't support what they say, I don't excuse what they say and I certainly don't "tithe" to them.
I oppose them with just as much passion as I do the institutions of Religion. However, the important point is that they have minuscule clout compared to say... The Roman Catholic Church. Which seems to be built on foundations of sexism and misogyny.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)But to the larger point, while it sounds too obvious, humans do tend to behave fairly predictably.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)FFS, gil. I know you're committed to your narrative but can we at least agree threats of murder are bad?
MineralMan
(147,575 posts)And why ask us? As far as I know, nobody who posts here has anything whatever to do with the TST.
She sounds like a garden variety nutcase to me, based on the stuff in that article you didn't bother to include in your excerpt.
I don't know her. I don't know any of the people mentioned in the article. I'm an atheist. I don't think Satan exists any more than any other supernatural entity. Go ask those people your questions.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)guillaumeb wants to goad someone into saying "of course Satan didn't make them into white supremacists," so that he can pull out his "A-HA!" card and "prove" that religion never motivates anyone to do bad things.
It's disingenuous and deceitful, because there are specific verses in the Christian bible that Christian white supremacists base their beliefs on. guillaumeb doesn't want to talk about that, though.
MineralMan
(147,575 posts)There are plenty of those to go around, I suppose. Apparently, our mutual antagonist thinks we are also a troll group.
I won't have it. I can't comment on TST. I know nothing about it, nor have I ever met anyone associated with it. It appears to be some sort of ultra-fringe political group of some kind with a message nobody cares about.
Monsieur B seems bent on associating us with every wackadoo group out there. Nope. I won't have it.
On the other hand, he is associated with "theism" and "the Creator" and stuff. He won't say what he actually believes, though, so his comments and excerpts have no center and are too vague to argue about.
C'est pour rire.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)MineralMan
(147,575 posts)I made several statements.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Only the ending.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)and the TOS of DU, require a short excerpt.
MineralMan
(147,575 posts)4.
Mariana
(15,096 posts)We're not individual discrete human beings at all. We're a homogeneous mass, with one common hive mind, like the Borg. If one atheist says a thing, then he appears to believe that all atheists must agree.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)When Satanists start pressuring lawmakers into passing draconian legislation robbing women of their bodily autonomy, I'll take note.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Mind the beam in your own eye.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Which is a seed.
muriel_volestrangler
(102,477 posts)to identify with satanism, fetishizing it.
https://themuse.jezebel.com/satanic-artist-and-activist-jex-blackmore-on-her-contro-1834791520
So, no, she's not saying that Satan caused them to be intolerant (or to be rich, for that matter).
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Perhaps they see this as the ultimate in whiteness.